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'Are you jerking my bobber?' Lottery winner stuns friend by sharing prize
theguardian.com ^ | July 23, 2020

Posted on 07/24/2020 6:31:28 AM PDT by lowbridge

A western Wisconsin man will share his millions in lottery winnings with a longtime friend because of a promise they made to each other nearly three decades ago.

Friends Tom Cook and Joseph Feeney shook hands in 1992 and promised that if either of them ever won the Powerball jackpot, they would split the money.

That promise came to fruition last month when Cook bought the winning ticket for a $22m jackpot at Synergy Coop in Menomonie.

When Cook called to give his friend the good news, Feeney couldn’t quite believe it.

“He called me, and I said, ‘are you jerking my bobber?”’ said Feeney, an avid fisherman.

Cook retired after hitting the jackpot while Feeney was already retired. Neither has any extravagant plans for the winnings but each is looking forward to enjoying more family time.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: bobber; jerking; jerkingmybobber; lottery
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To: lowbridge

“‘are you jerking my bobber?”’

It doesn’t get anymore “Wisconsin” than that. Lol!


21 posted on 07/24/2020 8:07:18 AM PDT by simpson96
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To: 9YearLurker
I would think the previous promise could be taken as a contract that would entitle his friend to receive half the prize directly?

That would be an interesting case. Arguments against it being a contract would be lack of consideration (this assumes they weren't pooling their money to buy tickets) and lack of a writing (both for evidentiary reasons and as a potential violation of the statute of frauds). His friend's "are you jerking my bobber" statement suggests that the friend didn't view them as having an enforceable contract.

22 posted on 07/24/2020 8:19:25 AM PDT by KevinB (Quite literally, whatever the Left touches it ruins.)
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To: IYAS9YAS
That’s for estate inheritance. Gift taxes kick in at $15,000 for 2020.

Nope.

You can gift up to $15k per person per year with no tax implications. Once you exceed that, you must file a gift tax return and anything over the $15k will decrease the available amount of your unified credit but will not result in a tax until you no longer have any unified credit remaining. So in 2020 you could gift $15K per person plus $11.5m without paying any gift tax. Any gifts above that will result in gift tax and upon your death you would have to pay estate tax on the entire value of your estate (assuming you didn't will it to a surviving spouse, charity, etc.) (Tax attorney here.)

23 posted on 07/24/2020 8:30:26 AM PDT by KevinB (Quite literally, whatever the Left touches it ruins.)
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To: KevinB

I’m pretty sure there have been a number of cases where the less fortunate friend has tried to enforce such a mutual promise with the mutuality in understanding that they both will be purchasing tickets half for the other in the future to be the recipient being the consideration. I imagine those cases largely have turned on differing recollections as to whether such a pact has been made. Not sure the written part would be so important if they agree on and attest to the same details? And as to the friend’s expression of shock, that could be simply of the winnings, were he not aware of them—or that the friend was volunarily coming through on auch a contract. As a longtime friend the beneficiary may have already thought that such attempted enforcement on his part wasn’t worth losing the friend.


24 posted on 07/24/2020 8:36:23 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: KevinB

Also, the recollected handshake I imagine would reinforce their case as well.


25 posted on 07/24/2020 8:39:10 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: lowbridge

Yeah, well, when the winner blows through his millions, he’s going to regret his “generosity.”


26 posted on 07/24/2020 8:51:00 AM PDT by LouAvul (Put them in fear, O Lord: that the nations may know themselves to be but men. Psalms 9:20)
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To: KevinB
So in 2020 you could gift $15K per person plus $11.5m without paying any gift tax.

Thanks for the clarification. Been a long time since I did tax accounting (college course). Things have certainly changed.

27 posted on 07/24/2020 9:08:43 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (There are two kinds of people: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.)
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To: MNnice

Granted, but for 5.7 million, Id gladly take that ripoff.


28 posted on 07/24/2020 9:13:28 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: glorgau

Or one could invest that 5.7 million, or a large part of it, in something else and get a better return than 57 thousand a year. Maybe buying rental properties.


29 posted on 07/24/2020 9:15:59 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: Still Thinking

I am guessing they are er... close friends.


30 posted on 07/24/2020 9:38:29 AM PDT by minnesota_bound (homeless guy. He just has more money....He the master will plant more cotton for the democrat party)
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To: 9YearLurker

Yes, it would be a highly fact-based case. I don’t think the IRS would care too much about this case, though, because the unified credit is so much higher than the amount given to the friend. Of course, if the winner was in a significantly higher tax bracket than the friend or had a very high net worth aside from the winnings, the IRS could take the position that this was an attempt to shift income tax or estate and gift tax obligations to another in order to reduce the overall taxes associated with the winnings.


31 posted on 07/24/2020 9:39:13 AM PDT by KevinB (Quite literally, whatever the Left touches it ruins.)
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To: KevinB

You mean if it weren’t taken as a lump sum, but spread out over time, I presume. I would think there’d have to be solid evidence for such a charge.


32 posted on 07/24/2020 9:49:33 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: NFHale

Amen. We’re living in slut times.


33 posted on 07/24/2020 9:56:58 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: 9YearLurker

It wouldn’t be a charge; it would be an argument by the IRS that there was no contract and the payment to the friend was a gift.


34 posted on 07/24/2020 10:01:39 AM PDT by KevinB (Quite literally, whatever the Left touches it ruins.)
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To: KevinB

I mean it in the casual sense of the word.


35 posted on 07/24/2020 10:13:02 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: KevinB

And if they and the IRS held to opposing positions, I take it there would be charges filed.


36 posted on 07/24/2020 10:13:51 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
And if they and the IRS held to opposing positions, I take it there would be charges filed.

No, it would be a civil matter. It would not rise to the level of criminal fraud because the taxpayer does have an arguable position even if that position doesn't ultimately prevail. If the IRS disagreed with the taxpayer's position, it would just disallow the tax return(s) and assess tax based on what it believed to be the correct filing. It would then be up to the taxpayer to challenge the IRS position, first with the IRS itself and, barring a settlement with the IRS, then in tax court.

37 posted on 07/24/2020 10:54:20 AM PDT by KevinB (Quite literally, whatever the Left touches it ruins.)
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To: KevinB

And if the tax court ruled against them, but they didnt pay...


38 posted on 07/24/2020 12:29:52 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: MNnice

What a ripoff.

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Not really! The biggest reduction is in taking the winning as cash. It is the Net present value of a certain dollar amount taken annually over a 20 year time period. What is left is divided by 2 for each participant. Each participant pays taxes on what is actually received.


39 posted on 07/24/2020 2:30:38 PM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.(DT4POTUS))
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To: KevinB

look up verbal contract, which btw are binding His friend could take him to court and would win.


40 posted on 07/24/2020 2:32:26 PM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.(DT4POTUS))
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