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WHAT ARE THE REAL NUMBERS?
Self | July 7, 2020 | MrChips

Posted on 07/07/2020 6:59:57 AM PDT by MrChips

Does anyone have any real information on what the real numbers are for COVID-19 cases and deaths?

On the one hand, I have read that the number of cases is inflated by “probable“ cases. For example, you become infected and your wife and three children are suddenly considered “probable” and thrown into the count. Is that true?

On the other hand, I have also read that the number of deaths is exaggerated because many, although infected, die of other causes and yet are counted in the total Is that true?

Please chime in. Thanks.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: covid19
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

What are Covid toes?


41 posted on 07/07/2020 9:57:42 AM PDT by MrChips ("To wisdom belongs the apprehension of eternal things." - St. Augustine)
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To: dfwgator
That’s in October! 🙄
42 posted on 07/07/2020 9:58:57 AM PDT by MrChips ("To wisdom belongs the apprehension of eternal things." - St. Augustine)
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To: MrChips

That means, no football, folks.

Not that I’ll miss it, mind you.


43 posted on 07/07/2020 10:01:56 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: little jeremiah

Precisely.

And once we are thoroughly sick and tired of all the democrats and newsboys crying “WOLF!” And simply refuse to wear masks and social distance ever again, will China release the truly deadly disease from their labs?

Hey, if I can’t sleep, no reason you should be able to!


44 posted on 07/07/2020 10:02:51 AM PDT by null and void (It never ends when you go down that slippery slope of digging for the truth.)
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To: MrChips
What are Covid toes?

Purple toes due to poor oxygenation and poor circulation due to COVID caused lung and red blood cell damage.

Just a symptom, no more diagnostic of COVID per se than a headache is of a brain tumor.

45 posted on 07/07/2020 10:07:33 AM PDT by null and void (It never ends when you go down that slippery slope of digging for the truth.)
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To: null and void

Read yesterday in a snip from Mark Meadows that Trump would be very active this week, with plenty EOs and gave some hints about topics, one was about stop playing nice with China. May I say Chuck Fina?


46 posted on 07/07/2020 10:20:16 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: little jeremiah

I think I used to work with Chuck...


47 posted on 07/07/2020 10:22:37 AM PDT by null and void (It never ends when you go down that slippery slope of digging for the truth.)
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To: null and void

Your right. I mis-sourced my previous post. It came from the Appeal Democrat’s reporting from our local county health officer.


48 posted on 07/07/2020 10:25:32 AM PDT by vigilence (Vigilence)
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To: vigilence

It’s rather interesting that a key set of data is missing, ain’t it?


49 posted on 07/07/2020 10:30:17 AM PDT by null and void (It never ends when you go down that slippery slope of digging for the truth.)
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To: null and void

It’s a common name...


50 posted on 07/07/2020 10:31:34 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: little jeremiah

51 posted on 07/07/2020 10:36:27 AM PDT by khelus
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To: MrChips

Not even in the year 2100 will we ever know the “real” numbers on this pandemic. Why? Because they have all been corrupted. Take NYC where any one with any ailment other than COVID was deemed a COVID patient. Then their retroactively deciding that all deaths in the city was COVID related.

To Nurse: I think I broke my big toe when I stumbled into the desk at home.

Nurse: Okay let me check that out. We need to get a COVID-19 test from you.

COVID-19 Test comes back negative.

DOCTOR: Ah I see you have COVID-19 and a broken toe. You will need to be hospitalized.

Patient: But Doc all I had was a broken toe.

DOC to Nurse: Set him up on the COVID wing next to patient A. (Patient A tested positive for COVID and is on a Ventilator)


52 posted on 07/07/2020 11:00:09 AM PDT by zaxtres
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To: khelus

THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!


53 posted on 07/07/2020 11:14:52 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: khelus
Just got this from another thread.


54 posted on 07/07/2020 11:21:56 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: little jeremiah

This graph or meme is the perfect example of why Welders, Engineers, Truck Drivers, and Plumbers all need to STAY IN THEIR LANE.

Let’s say someone is a Diabetic with mild High Blood Pressure.......but both conditions are being treated and with good outcomes.

The same person contracts COVID-19........as a result, they become septic, then suffer renal failure, after which cardiac failure.

Because we don’t have a uniform edict or policy of how to fill death certs., its the attending doctor’s choice as to what to write, or the coroner’s choice.

For primary cause, what do they put? Heart failure? Sepsis? COVID? Or Renal failure? All of which would be true.

For secondary cause of death, again, what do they say is the secondary cause?

If I were the attending Doc, and I fill out those little boxes by saying primary was Heart Failure, Secondary was COVID........the mechanics and construction workers, and I.T. Experts of the world would say I’m a deep stater because the secondary cause was renal failure!

Often, death can not be explained with one or two words in a little box.
Often, when someone dies, there is a process involved.

Covid-19 is a serious virus that seems to harm or kill our elderly more often than not.

I know someone who spends his days looking for conspiracies and flaws in everything Covid related and the wearing of mask. He says to me to live my life freely.......but I am. He tells me stop being in fear, but I’m not.

Who’s the one really not living their life, or is in fear? Me? Or Him?


55 posted on 07/07/2020 11:55:51 AM PDT by David Chase
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To: MrChips

Micro blood clots in your extremities, mainly in feet and toes. Caused bu the changes COVID causes in clotting factors in blood. Google it for photographs.


56 posted on 07/07/2020 12:07:29 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: David Chase

Now what about someone who falls off his bike, breaks his leg, is in the hospital to get it set, throws a fat clot from the break, tests positive for covid, and dies from the clot.

Only a bureaucratic, politically motivated, government expert such as Dr Birx would and does count this as a covid death.


57 posted on 07/07/2020 12:42:06 PM PDT by khelus
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To: little jeremiah

You’re welcome and thanks for the graphic.


58 posted on 07/07/2020 12:43:04 PM PDT by khelus
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To: buckalfa; ClearCase_guy; MrChips; null and void

Doesn’t the CDC publish monthly Morbidity and Mortality reports. Something like that should be compared with death rates from the past and it should be possible to get a decent estimate of surplus deaths due to Covid and associated deaths. In Puerto Rico after Maria they were talking about maybe 60 storm deaths. But after additional examination a figure of several thousand was estimated. People had died from loss of insulin, oxygen, and other critical health aids as a result of the physical disruptions and destruction caused by the hurricane and months to restore normalcy.


59 posted on 07/07/2020 3:04:03 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Vermont Lt; ClearCase_guy; SeekAndFind; null and void; RummyChick; Jane Long; mrsmith; ...

Last week I heard interviews with the mayors of Houston and Miami. In Houston he said a while ago when people were tested 1 in 10 was positive, but now it was 1 in 4. In Miami the mayor said it had been about 8% but now was over 20% testing positive. Regarding worldometers statistics, remember it takes a day or two for the death statistics to be fully reported after the weekend. Today, over 800 deaths were reported for over 133,000 dead.


60 posted on 07/07/2020 3:23:30 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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