WHAT ARE THE REAL NUMBERS?

Self | July 7, 2020 | MrChips

[MrChips]

Does anyone have any real information on what the real numbers are for COVID-19 cases and deaths?

On the one hand, I have read that the number of cases is inflated by “probable“ cases. For example, you become infected and your wife and three children are suddenly considered “probable” and thrown into the count. Is that true?

On the other hand, I have also read that the number of deaths is exaggerated because many, although infected, die of other causes and yet are counted in the total Is that true?

Please chime in. Thanks.

[walkingdead]

My wife read where the numbers are dropping so low that we are very close to no longer qualifying as a pandemic.

Those drunk on power are not going to be able to keep this up much longer.

[null and void]

Every positive test counts as a new case.

People who missed their appointment and did NOT get tested have said they received the test results in the mail. They "tested" positive.

And people who are trying to test out as recovered need two negative tests in a row to be counted as recovered. If they get a dozen positives in the quest for the magic two negatives in a row, they might be counted as new cases half the time due to sloppy data compilation, or dare I say it out loud? DELIBERATE fraud.

More cases, more federal money, and it keeps the fear porn going!

Bring Out Your Dead

Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.

The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.

The false positive rate was 100%.

At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.

*sigh* Such is life, and death...

Quarantine the sick.
Isolate the vulnerable.
Free everyone else!

[MrChips]

March 2025?

[vigilence]

I tried to find an official definition of “cases” but without success. I follow hospitalizations sincevthat number is harder to manipulate.

[null and void]

To paraphrase von Clausewitz, ‘politics is the continuation of war by other means.’

[null and void]

Where do you find the hospitalization numbers?

[JerryBlackwell]

True covid deaths are likely a third to a half the published count. No more than a typical bad flu season.

Remember in March the CDC warned up to 1.7 million could die. Lies and fear-mongering.

[yawningotter]

What I would like to know is if the test is specifically for COVID 19, or a broader test for coronaviruses.

[khelus]

What Is a Probable Case:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/faq-surveillance.html

Criteria for Case Definiton:
https://wwwn.cdc.gov/nndss/conditions/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/case-definition/2020/

New Case Definition:
https://texasscorecard.com/local/texas-new-coronavirus-criteria-could-artificially-spike-collin-county-cases/

[a fool in paradise]

The CDC and WHO stopped COUNTING cases of H1N1 in 2009 after it reached pandemic levels. Everything we know from the later half of 2009 and all of 2010 were “estimates”.

This current pandemic has been politicized and it not treated as past pandemics. But it fully aligns with Gates’ Event 201 dry run and Dr. Ted is Bill Gate’s chosen one at the WHO and Gates is a major funder of WHO ahead of many nations’ contributions.

[a fool in paradise]

In January and February we were seeing footage from China of people falling down in the streets being picked up by officials in hazmat suits and receptionists in hazmat suits at hospitals while patients were being stacked up in hallways.

Have we seen ANYTHING like this since?

China was also spraying the air and streets with something.

How much of this was a PR stunt and how much of it was legitimate and why haven’t other nations responded this way?

[ProtectOurFreedom]

Just a couple of anecdotes:

1. My nephew had a lot of the symptoms including “COVID toes.” He kept asking for the test (Michigan) but couldn’t get them to give it to him. He was counted as a “Probable” even though they never did the test.

2. This isn’t a new problem. I just found out I have a distant cousins who died at age 16 in January 1919. Her death “Registration” form, filed the day after she passed, listed tuberculosis which she had had for a year. Her death “Certificate” was finalized a month later and listed Influenza as the cause of death (two days) and “tuberculosis” was crossed off on the prior Death Registration form.

Which disease killed her?

[little jeremiah]

And from everything I’ve read positive antibody tests are added, plus “probable” and “presumptive” cases too.

IOW it’s a stinking pile of bulls*** propganda to keep the population masked, locked in, terrified, submissive - and leading to mail in ballots so they can cheat and try to get rid of Trump.

That’s it in a nutshell.

[little jeremiah]

From the top link, thanks. IOW, the data stinks and is valueless except for propaganda purposes.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/faq-surveillance.html

What is a COVID19 Case?
A COVID-19 case includes confirmed and probable cases and deaths. This change was made to reflect an interim COVID-19 positionpdf iconexternal icon statement issued by the Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists on April 5, 2020. The position statement included a case definition and made COVID-19 a nationally notifiable disease.

What is a Probably COVID19 Case?

A probable case or death is defined as:

A person meeting clinical criteria AND epidemiologic evidence with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID-19;
A person meeting presumptive laboratory evidence AND either clinical criteria OR epidemiologic evidence;
A person meeting vital records criteria with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID-19.

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Can you or anyone else copy the image from the second link showing how many “probable” cases they can count from one actual case? A picture is worth a thousand words.

Here:

https://texasscorecard.com/local/texas-new-coronavirus-criteria-could-artificially-spike-collin-county-cases/

[little jeremiah]

“your wife and three children are suddenly considered “probable””

Only if they have a symptom, like sneezing, runny nose, sore throat, .... forgive the fact that these are symptoms for thousands of things, but they are suddenly in the count at that point

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THe probables do not need symptoms to be counted as cases, from what I’ve read.

[kagnew]

“If Trump wins 2020 there will be 6 billion deaths in the US alone because Trump doesnt wear a mask.
If Biden wins, Covid will be gone on Jan 20.”

No, if Biden wins, Covid will be gone on the 4th of November 2020.

[dfwgator]

State Fair of Texas was just cancelled, first time since WWII.

[SE Mom]

The various bureaucracies tasked with keeping the numbers have changed methodologies and what criteria to use in determining whether or not a patient has covid19. They’ve been changed at least 3 times that I know about- plus each state uses their own scorecards.

So no, there’s really no way to know how many have it, or had it.

[vigilence]

Our local rag, the Sacramento Bee, has a daily banner that tracks cases, hospitalizations and deaths in
California and the nation. I believe their numbers are compiled from the John’s Hopkins numbers.

[null and void]

JHU CSSE doesn’t show any hospitalizations in California whatsoever.

Color me skeptical...