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To: Nateman
I have long supported the use of article five but I fear that we may be too far gone for it to be any use.

1st argument to that point is getting all of the petitions filed in lockstep at the same time and with the same core language. The cos project has made a great attempt at that but how many states are left that can rally behind that agenda? I fear the corruption in our state and local govts may prohibit further attempts.

2nd would be that even getting 2/3 of states to petition would the congress call said convention? If they didn't how could we force them? I can count on less than two hands the number of senators and reps from all states that I would trust to follow their oath in some form or fashion. The rest are just a lost cause in my opinion. I know it says they have to call it but I doubt they would. So what do we do then? Threaten them perhaps? Wait and vote them all out then try article five?

3rd would be that even if we got the convention called and we were able to get states to send delegates that represented our goals(a concern in itself) then managed to approve amendments, would we then actually be able to get ratification amongst these 3/4 of states? I see corruption in all of our state govts that would at least try to impede that process.

4th and final argument is the one that you brought early to this thread. Marbury vs Madison. Would the courts acknowledge any passage of an ammendment regulating them. They have been interpreting this process how they see fit since this very case and therefore I can't see them limiting their own power that they never truly possessed in the first place.

Please note I did not bring up the idiot bircher argument of runaway convention ect. I do believe in article five I just fear that we may have gone too far down the path of judicial tyranny and moral degradation for it to work. I would love to be wrong on that concept my fellow patriot.

31 posted on 06/21/2020 1:24:36 PM PDT by JohnDeereGreen (I think I have the bailout flu :-()
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To: JohnDeereGreen

Please note that I do still support article five, these are just concerns I have. I have contributed to cos over the years, since the tea party days in fact.


33 posted on 06/21/2020 1:29:34 PM PDT by JohnDeereGreen (I think I have the bailout flu :-()
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To: JohnDeereGreen
I fear the corruption in our state and local govts may prohibit further attempts.

How many people even know who their state reps are? I didn't because all the real action happens in Washington now. As the count gets closer to 34 the hysteria of the left is going to get a lot of people involved who would not otherwise be interested. You can bet they are going to feel the heat.

...would the congress call said convention?

This would be too historic for them not to. You can be sure the screaming from the left would be so loud it would become a major issue. Have the Convention wither they call it of not is the cure if Congress decides to cheat. I predict Congress will offer some fake amendments or laws first in order to fizzle the movement.

would we then actually be able to get ratification amongst these 3/4 of states?

If the Convention happens after 200 years without one, it's going to be front and center in the minds of Americans. A lot of state reps are going to feel the kind of heat they never have before. It will be endlessly debated just like the original Constitution was . How many amendments will be ratified is anybodies guess.

Would the courts acknowledge any passage of an amendment regulating them.

How many divisions are they in command of? Because they is what they would need to ignore something as rare as a Convention of States.

35 posted on 06/21/2020 1:51:39 PM PDT by Nateman (If the left is not screaming, you are doing it wrong.)
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To: JohnDeereGreen; Nateman; Publius; Repeal The 17th; Brooklyn Attitude
Article V is our last peaceful alternative.

President Trump now knows the Deep State extends not only throughout the administrative state, the military, and the judiciary, but to the scotus itself.

Once he blows Plugs away this November, I hope he realizes that unless he leaves behind reformed institutions, all of his successes will soon disappear.

So yeah, I think PDJT will support an end run around the hopeless corruption and push for an Article V COS. If his counsel is wise, they'll encourage re-federalization beginning with repeal of the 17th Amendment.

A long shot? Sure. So was 1776.

46 posted on 06/21/2020 3:37:52 PM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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