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To: JonPreston

8 posted on 06/20/2020 5:49:11 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: JonPreston

I’m not sure what your point is, but the virus will never go away. It will mutate and perpetuate.


9 posted on 06/20/2020 6:06:35 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: JonPreston

You always seem reasonable even in our disagreement. While I have seat and the google screen shift can we agree to the following:

1. This is most a second wave. If there is an increase in true cases then it is because the curve was flattened. You know as well as I do that a flattened curve does. It reduce the area under the curve which would be the total number of cases. Rather it prevents over running resources.

2. I am in a state where there is a spike. It has been going on for fully six days. I worked in one of the biggest icus in the region the last five days. There have been no hospitalizations. There have also been no icu admissions. This means either there is viral attenuation and it is not as severe OR it is finally running through the health population which would have happened any confirming this is a mild and self limited disease. If the latter then we are gaining steam toward here immunity. NYC probably has herd immunity at this time

3. Nationwide there is a continued steep decline in deaths that me it look like it is attenuating. It appears that either way the crises is over

I genuinely believe sir, the case numbers as a result of our obsessive and multiple testing of the same person. I personally tested the same person five times this week because of the requirement of two negatives before transfer to a different level of care. Mind you both patients are awake not vented and doing crossword puzzles with possibly late positives due to inactive viral debris. But these went into the numbers yesterday. Combine with that every person who wants a rest can get one irrespective of physician orders or advice and we are probably painting the picture of truly how minor of a disease this is Becuase testing is through the roof, positives hover between 5-7 % and hospital utilization is way down

4. I continue to hold that before this was a major news story in November, December, January, and early February I treated an abnormal amount of ARDS that was influenza negative to the point that many of us were baffled at why people were so sick with no explanation. At that time the ICUs were also very full. I continue to believe that our peak was actually mid February.

Anyway you seem erudite and reasonable in approach and I always appreciate hearing the opposite view.

Have a pleasant Saturday.


10 posted on 06/20/2020 6:07:40 AM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: JonPreston

There isn’t a second wave. Not in Arizona. CASES are going up fast while DEATHS are still declining. Three weeks of rapidly increasing CASES while DEATHS keep declining!

Why? Because now YOUNG people are getting it, and it is not dangerous for young people.


17 posted on 06/20/2020 6:29:44 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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