Study Reveals Most Critically Ill Patients with COVID-19 Survive with Standard Treatment

Massachusetts General Hospital ^ | 05/07/2020 | Brian Burns

[nwrep]

Standard treatment = Anything but HCQ

[JusPasenThru]

Looks like a good article /in before the Plandemikers...

[Mrs. Don-o]

Or you could follow Zelenko's protocol, take the HCQ/Xinc/Z-pack combo in the very earliest days of COVID symptoms, clear the virus in 5 days, be back on your feet in a week with this $20, off-the-shelf cure, and prevent having to be hospitalized or intubated.

So let me re-state the three essentials: : PREVENTION, PREVENTION, PREVENTION.

[Candor7]

“Based on this, we recommend that clinicians provide evidence-based ARDS treatments to patients with respiratory failure due to COVID-19 and await standardized clinical trials before contemplating novel therapies,” said co–lead author Jehan Alladina, MD, an Instructor in Medicine at Mass General.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

In other words do not employ Hydroxy Chloroquine, Azithromycin along with Zinc vitamin, a treatment that the American Board of Surgeons have indicated is 97% successful.

Jehan Alladina is a public health asshole. Period.What he is saying is inhumane.

This is no time now for the unethical organization of clinical trials which give infected patients placebos instead of the successful therapy.

Doctors who violate there Hippocratic oath are not doctors.

[DoodleDawg]

Standard treatment = Anything but HCQ

According to the CDC 1.3 million people worldwide have recovered from Covid-19, almost 200,000 of those in the U.S. alone. How many received HCQ and how many did not?

[SeekAndFind]

RE: So let me re-state the three essentials: : PREVENTION, PREVENTION, PREVENTION.

And where can we find Doctors who are willing to prescribe these off label and outside of a hospital setting with the FDA and the CDC discouraging it, and the media attacking it as ineffective no end?

[SeekAndFind]

RE: According to the CDC 1.3 million people worldwide have recovered from Covid-19

And how many have been infected and how many cases are still active?

[SeekAndFind]

RE: According to the CDC 1.3 million people worldwide have recovered from Covid-19

Also, how many are infected BUT asymptomatic? I know of two in their forties here in NY who are asymptomatic but infected their mothers.

[DannyTN]

Study finds that most people (5 out of 6) who play Russian Roulette survive.

[Bob434]

My question to the doc who says we should try older methods first- why can’t BOTH be tried at the same time? Unless it would interfere with the older methods? If it wouldn’t- then throw the kitchen sink at the problem- use whatever weapons we have for best possible outcomes- you go to war with the weapons you have- not with weapons that are promised or are way out on the horizon

[Bob434]

[[How many received HCQ and how many did not?]]

That’s a very important question and IF Fox News were a real news station- they would investigate this question and be giving the results on the news nightly-

But they have likely been told to shut up about HCQ success-

[Mrs. Don-o]

Doctors should be smart and pro-active on behalf of their patients. True, they've been lied to right and left. But Dr. Zelenko tweets out every day links to international research, clinical trials, case histories and all manner of empirical evidence of the effectiveness of his HCQ protocol--- if done on an outpatient basis a.s.a.p. after the first symptoms of infection emerge. Effective even for elderly people with comorbidities.

https://twitter.com/zev_dr

[RummyChick]

liability issues:

ReveilleIn reply to OldArmy71 • 10:06a, 5/3/20AG
OldArmy71 said:
Dr. Coates, something I have wanted to ask since the newest FDA directive came out about the hydroxy.

Can physicians still prescribe it to people in their private practice, people not in the hospital or enrolled in a study?

Thank you for all you are doing for your patients and for us!

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Yes it just increases the liability if you do so it will likely give a lot if doctors reservation or some refuse to do so. I hope not.

I met with a group of doctors last Friday night in a zoom call. We all decided that we are getting good results and will continue. So I had a medical lawyer draw me up a consent to use.

[DoodleDawg]

Also, how many are infected BUT asymptomatic? I know of two in their forties here in NY who are asymptomatic but infected their mothers.

Absent far more extensive testing than we're doing now we will never know the answer to that.

[GulfMan]

HA HA, we recommend that other hospitals (as we do) allow your patients to die rather than treat with HCQ and therefore bolster President Trumps re-elections chances. Again, we must allow people to die for our political views and sheer hatred of the President, it's a sacrifice we find easy to make

[CharlesWayneCT]

I mean, they can do both. I have no doubt we have better treatment than China and some european countries.

But it is also helpful to get people out of hospitals quicker, and so if a medication can do that, or if it can prevent people from getting to the point where they need a ventilator, why not?

I am beginning to think that HCQ is not particularly effective when given to people already in critical care. But that a lot of these people get better with treatment, so giving then HCQ, and then focusing on their treatment, makes it look like HCQ might be helping, when it is just the extra care and treatment they are getting, that China didn’t give and other countries didn’t give.

And that doesn’t bother me at all. I don’t own stock in HCQ, Trump never said “HCQ is my cure”, so it is not an attack on Trump if it turns out HCQ is less helpful than it looked.

What is sad is how many people seem happy when we find a treatment isn’t as good as we hoped, and seem to hate when people try to find hope at all.

[Steve_Seattle]

Massachusetts does not have a particularly good percentage of deaths-per-cases in the CV epidemic:

Massachusetts 6.0% death rate.
Pennsylvania 5.9%
Washington 5.3%
Colorado 5.2%
Missouri 4.5%
Florida 4.1%
California 4.0%
Virginia 3.5%
Texas 2.8%
Hawaii 2.7%
Iowa 2.1%
Tennessee 1.7%
Nebraska 1.3%
Utah 1.0%
South Dakota 1.0%

The figures are a couple of days old, and have probably shifted a little, but not much. There are worse states than shown here (e.g., New York, Michigan), but 31 of those I measured had a better survival record than Massachusetts.

[Steve_Seattle]

"But they [Fox] have likely been told to shut up about HCQ success."

Not true - Fox is the ONLY network that talks about HCQ success, and they've been doing it this week; they haven't stopped. However, I haven't seen any network do a comparison of state-by-state or clinic-by-clinic results of HCQ vs. non-HCQ treatments.

[Bob434]

I’ve been listening the last few days and haven’t heard them mentioning it anymore- But I’m not listening to the night shows- so perhaps they are- But all I’m hearing on fox now is how wonderful Remsidiver is- and how much promise it is showing despite only hastening the recovery 33% faster compared to HCQ which hastens recovery 66% fast

And of course now they are on the flynn thing, and Tara reed thing- so maybe that has to do with lack of HCQ during day mentions-