Posted on 05/01/2020 8:19:00 AM PDT by Bon mots
I just got a call for a decent job - everything looked really good. The recruiter's name was Alex Jones - funny, he had an Indian accent.
I'm out of work and so my resume is posted on the standard sites... free to download by all and sundry. Additionally, this job is 100% remote. Sound too good to be true? Read on...
It started with an email from 'Alex Jones', I replied. Then he called. Just another Indian recruiter scouring the USA for tech resources... nothing eye popping so far. They have taken to using fake Anglo sounding names lately for some reason.
He said that his manager would call me if I were shortlisted as she is working with their direct client, Verizon.
Sure enough, the manager called me and told me that I am a perfect fit for their direct client, Verizon. My education, all of my certifications and industry experience are exactly what they're looking for except that I don't have a LeanSixSigma Green Belt certification which is the last thing they require. (Nobody really requires this these days.)
Their client was starting the interviews in a couple of weeks, I would have ample time to take the course and get the certification and was a shoo-in for the job.
Then they sent this:
Hi Bon Mots,Please go through with the below mentioned links that we have got from the client's end.
https://www.theagilestudy.com/product/six-sigma-green-belt/ ( Through The Agile Study you will get the sponsorship of 40-50% and it will be online training and examination)
https://www.6sigma.us/training-green-belt.php ( Through 6sigma.us you will not get any sponsorship and it will be classroom training and examination without any retakes)
Regards,
Alex Jones
So I went and searched the Verizon career portal and nowhere are they ever looking for anyone with LeanSixSigma of any type.
If you click on any of the links, you would see that they have some on-site courses that cost $3000.00 and the remote course for just $1000.00 - oh, and Verizon would sponsor nearly 50% of the cost up front and the rest upon me accepting the job. Right.
Basically, they are charging about double what I could get the course for elsewhere, then 'giving' me a 40-50% discount.
These people make me sick. Be careful out there people.
Have any of you seen any scams like this out there?
Alex Jones has an affiliate in Hyderabad?
Who knew??
LeanSixSigma IS A FREEKING JOKE.
You had better be able to measure metrics /s
No but since I’m not looking for work doubt I will. In fact never had or needed a resume Worked in HVAC and just talk to others in the trade to find out whos looking for people . But thanks for the heads up.
In the tech world, there are armies of Indian cold-calling 'recruiters' we call 'bottom-feeders' that call you one after another trying to get you for low-ball money to work on contract.
Some of them have begun using fake names so that you answer their emails... I always prefer working with an American recruiter. Perhaps for that reason, many of them have begun using these fake names, like Mike Livingston or Jessica Green...
Many of the Indians have zero ethical standards, in my experience; however I worked with some very fine Indian folks at IBM.
One called me and we agreed upon an hourly rate. He then called me back and said that the client has just reduced the rate by $10.00 per hour. I told him no thanks and hung up. He immediately called me back and said okay to the first rate.
A close friend of mine had agreed to a job with TCS through a third party. He was to start work on a Monday. On Friday, the recruiter called him and said that they can only pay him $10,000.00 per year less.
He declined and left them in the lurch - had another job lined up and was playing them both against one another.
Another told me that he had my information and was going to submit me to a position at a major New York Bank - when I specifically demanded that he not do so as to be double submitted by two or more agencies gets your candidature cancelled! He angrily told me that he was submitting me anyway. I didn't get a call. ...and they wonder why people prefer working with Americans.
I suggest a suggestion box.
I suggest a suggestion box.
The first url has a domain name which is only only 78 days old: https://whois.domaintools.com/theagilestudy.com
The latter domain looks legit with an established domain and what appears to be a real contact. The scammer is hoping you will chose the first URL to do business with (cheaper, half sponsored, remote and retakable) but adds the legitimate second one to look like a legitimate offer.
1. Every business registered in my state is required to have an annual business registration certificate filed with the state's treasury department. This certificate renewal costs about $60 every year.
2. The state sends a notice in the mail two months before your renewal date, and gives you instructions for processing the renewal online. The process takes less than 10 minutes.
3. Two months before the state sent my renewal notice for 2020, I received an official-looking notice from an office called "Business Registration Unit" or something like that. The return address is less than two blocks away from the state capitol building.
4. It includes a set of instructions for updating your company's information in a paper form and mailing it back. They ask you to include a registration renewal fee of $185 when you send it back.
I scrutinized the form closely and found a tiny item at the bottom that said: "Business Registration Unit, Inc. is not a government office and has no affiliation with the state treasury department."
So this company basically just buys a database of businesses registered in the state, sends a mass mailing to all of them 4+ months before their registration renewal dates, and tries to get them to pay them $185 to process a registration renewal for you that would otherwise cost you $60 and take ten minutes of your time.
The devious part about it is that they send you the letter 4+ months before your renewal date, and direct you to send everything back to them within 30 days. They do this so that an unsuspecting business owner pays them to process the renewal BEFORE the business owner gets the official notice from the state and realizes that the first notice wasn't the real one.
In other words, they likely put that website up themselves to either get your money for a bogus course, or, just get your money, or just get your identity information. I’ve not clicked on the link to investigate further.
Best observation I’ve heard came from a friend who worked extensively with Indian folks.
“It’s not a Judeo-Christian culture. So you’re making a mistake expecting them to demonstrate Judeo-Christian ethics. Near as I can figure their primary ethic seems to be ‘if I tell you a lie and you’re dumb enough to believe it, that’s not my problem.’”
I’ll qualify that by saying I too have known some very fine and ethical Indian people. Ones who had been in this country a long time.
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Costs me $25/year, and I've gotten any number of contract jobs, with Lockheed-Grummen, Lucas, Terex...
It’s a real job, an Inside Job.
LOL!
“and they wonder why people prefer working with Americans”
It’s disgraceful they are allowed to set up offices in the US, then recruit from call centers in India.
Never, ever give an Indian recruiter the time of day.
They are paid based solely on: New copy of resume with current contact info...and resumes submitted to another agent. That agent likely has no relationship to the end client.
Nobody ever gets a job this way. It’s never happened.
Deal only with American recruiters who speak American, and one who knows that Austin is a very long ways from Sacramento.
I thought everyone knew that already. These bottom feeders have been active in tech for well over a decade. Toilet scum, all.
Here is pretty much a word-for-word transcript of a call someone I know received from an offshore recruiter in India.
Indian caller: I have the perfect job for you. What is your rate?
Recipient: Wait a minute, wait a minute....just what is this job?
Indian caller: Senior Systems Administrator. What is your rate?
Recipient: Hold on, hold on a minute. Where exactly is this job?
Indian caller (screaming at the top of his lungs): BALTIMORE, MARYLAND. WHAT IS YOUR RAAAAAAATE???????????
“My experience working for companies that rely heavily on metrics is that they end up producing a great big bunch of metrics.”
It depends on the business.
One cannot compete in the manufacture of durable goods or tech without a good metrics back-end. Production quality drifts constantly and it’s best to catch it early than hear it from the customer.
In all cases.
Exactly.
What a $hitty way to drum up business. Scam artists.
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