Coronavirus: I've changed my position on something. (vanity)

self | 04/17/2020 | self

[eastexsteve]

OK. Let's get to the chase. I'm a pilot. I've been flying almost 45 years. I know many commercial pilots who work for the big carriers. Some do international flights, the Far East, Europe, etc. At least four of them now have told me they have had this crap, some as early as November of last year. High fever, bad dry cough, and body aches. They all said they were sicker than a dog. They told me they have flown boatloads of people from China and Europe to here before the travel ban. They tell me they passed it around to other pilots, crews, and their families. They all went to the doctor, and tested negative for the flu. But, back then, nobody knew what this was. Most of their kids got sick, albeit only for a few hours, and then they were fine. They went to school, passed it around, and many other kids got sick. They likely brought it home and infected their families.

During the last part of January this year, my wife and I both came down with the same thing (no doubt after being around some of my pilot friends.). We've both had flu shots. I had it for about 3 days. My wife had to go to the doctor. She tested negative for the flu, and they gave her a Z-pack. She had it for about a week. We were both sicker than I can ever remember. And, although I'm 65, I stay pretty healthy and pass a pilots medical exam as needed.

After talking to my pilot buddies again in detail, I can no longer ignore the evidence that this stuff has been here since November last year. I also can't deny that my wife and I likely had it in January. I remember us both saying that this stuff was so bad it would likely kill most older or unhealthy people.

We need widespread immediate testing on demand, and not just when we show symptoms. We need both antibody and virus tests. We will never know how safe it is, or to what degree we can go back to normal until we do. I'm currently on the hunt for an antibody test.

[DugwayDuke]

My wife and I flew into Vancouver through Seattle for a cruise in Mid-September. Five days after our flights we both had Wuhan Flu symptoms which lasted for about a week. We both had flu shots and pneumonia vaccines. BTW, Vancouver is almost 28% Chinese and has many visitors from China. We’re both highly suspicious that we had the virus back in September.

[securityman]

you didnt have it. No one did. In Washington State they went back through the tests all the way through January and test and for covid and the earliest date was February 15th

[Cboldt]

Testing for treatment is only needed when the treatment depends on the test result.

Does the treatment change?

[Buckeye McFrog]

I caught a bug the day after Thanksgiving which I now believe was this.

Six weeks of pretty uncomfortable respiratory symptoms. I never have a virus hang on that long. I want about my holiday business and feel very badly that I was probably spreading it.

[Kommodor]

I won’t disagree, I think that I had it over Christmas, picked it up while traveling in Missouri (probably at a restaurant, the people at the next table …)

But anyway it’s most likely that this thing has been here a while, and we’re still being lied to about it.

Where I will differ is I think that a lot of what we’re seeing is posturing and kabuki theater.

I think it’s sad that we’re destroying our country over an illness that (while very bad) would have been largely ignored if it weren’t an election year and certain parties weren’t counting on it for political gain.

[wardaddy]

I think my wife had too

Same symptoms and difficulty breathing and some fever and big weakness

And given we slept together nightly albeit not intimate for a week still you’d think I was very exposed

I never got it

Or didn’t know it and I’m high risk

[DugwayDuke]

Alberta’s Child wrote: “One of the reasons people like Drs. Fauci and Birx are concerned about a flare-up later in the year is that there may be NO permanent immunity to COVID-19 after recovery.”

More likely, they are familiar with history. Almost every flu pandemic has had at least two waves and usually three. The misnamed Spanish flu had a mild wave in the spring, then a very lethal wave in the autumn, and then another that was in between in 1919. Some even postulate a fourth wave in 1920. My father lost his mother in early 1920 to what he believes was the Spanish flu.

[heartwood]

Researchers retested 7000 flu swabs from January and February. The first Covid19 resultvwas Feb 21, only 10 more in that month.

No positives going back to October.

[mad_as_he$$]

I have heard from many people with the exact same timeline and symptoms.

[lapsus calami]

 

 

I've posted about this repeatedly - a nasty something blew through my locale like a hurricane Dec. into Feb., leaving behind coughing, choking people who took a while to get clear of it. The volume of ambulance calls and what they were for also told the tale. In our case all this emergency action was closing the barn door after the livestock were long gone. It's amounted to a bunch of expensive busywork up to this point. My demand still stands - what did the ChiComs know, and when did they know it.

 

 

[Robert A Cook PE]

Early February.

[mad_as_he$$]

Reference? Source?

[John S Mosby]

Since the Original Patient Zero was ID’d 500 miles from Wuhan, in China.... on NOV 17, 2019-— confirmed SARSCoV2-2019-— which considering the number of chinese where he was in Guangdong-— flying all over the world—— there was a HELL of a lot more... all over the WORLD prior to November 17th.

So YOUR statement is well informing, observationally, and Thank You! ALL those who can (without getting digitally registered with it) find out if they have the ANTIBODIES to SARSCoV2-2019— will cross reference this— that you did indeed have it and having survived have immunity (also useful with plasma treatment, as Johns Hopkins as pointed out), and FURTHER point out the all the way back to Last Summer, the game plan of the Chi-Com PLA, and Xi xiping’s thugs. BTW the confirmed huge sulphur dioxide plumes seen by our weather satellites (and reported/buried) over the known areas of Uyghur confinement concentration work camps are within the same timelines to be matched up— where the virus was applied, and the people who unleashed it, got it themselves.

The timelines of all these observations and your and your pilot friends heroic reports-— are all hugely valuable. California having large herd immunity built in— in the chinese and chinese-American populations in that state, albeit non-symptomatic as a result but... passing it along to anglos, hispanos, and a whole lot of other genetic heritage groupings— was less affected by this. As opposed to New York and the City— also targeted.

The Taiwan heroes who reported this first to WHO- put pay to the fake Chinese narrative, and confirm that THEY were an intended target as well (and was, following the testing on Uyghurs... imho). Taiwan, which has long been the US ally remaining off shore from chi-com land).

[amorphous]

PP here. My son, who's business takes him all over the US, had what you describe back about then. Really bad cough for two - three weeks. He thinks he caught it from some guy he was sitting next to who was coughing and spreading germs. Certainly something was going around then. The antibody test should tell the tale, if you get a chance to have one take.

I have a niece who tested positive for the coronavirus. The symptoms are far worse than what my son's symptoms were. She still has virtual pneumonia, after a month, and during the worst part of her illness, was hospitalized for 3 days with symptoms of encephalitis. She had 3 HCQ doses in the hospital before being release, and 2 doses while out of the hospital. A couple of days ago, she had another test for corona taken - should get the results today to see if she still has it.

Another reason, IMO, what was going around in November wasn't the coronavirus, is we'd be seeing many more deaths today. I've been tracking the new deaths to total deaths ratio since 18 March, and one can see the US was in the early stages of the spread, even in March, by the graph below:

[Arones]

... I can no longer ignore the evidence that this stuff has been here since November last year.

Or, maybe even earlier. My daughter had the same back in mid-September after a trip to San Francisco.

[heartwood]

I am sorry, my search terms aren’t bringing it up. If you find it, please let me know.

[Arones]

Any of that sound familiar?

Yes. Had the same back in February. I had some of the most frequent and forceful vomiting of my entire life. I was VERY short of breath. Lasted about 36 hours.

Chalked it all up to food poisoning and being at 5,400 ft altitude (Idyllwild, CA) at the time.

[Wuli]

“We need widespread immediate testing on demand, and not just when we show symptoms. We need both antibody and virus tests. We will never know how safe it is, or to what degree we can go back to normal until we do.”

I think we need a very wide ranging survey of antibody tests across the population of the U.S. (how many millions are just like and your wife - folks who encountered the Wuhan virus, with or without knowing it, and defeated it, likely leaving your system armed with antibodies for it) and on request, on demand tests for anyone asking for it, anyone feeling they are ill with Wuhan virus type symptoms, and anyone presented to a hospital or health care provider with Wuhan virus like symptoms, early or not. I do not think we need to hold up opening up beyond obtaining those two things.

Why?

The cause of the Wuhan virus seeming more deadly at this point is not that it is intrinsically more deadly, but that it is new, like the fist viruses causing seasonal flu once were. Because of that the treatment regimes for the Wuhan virus are not yet as mature as those that were standardized for treating severe cases of the seasonal flu. But we are seeing that gap being overcome rapidly, in a few months alone. Before the year is out handling a severe case of illness from the Wuhan virus will be many times improved from how the first cases were handled - our learning curve has been fast.

For that to improve as a socially accepted measure is just two things that we now have for severe flu cases.

The first is patients with a concern or need, or a doctor by choice, can test a presenting patient for the Wuhan virus. Again, that is patients and doctors that need, and not universally the whole population. That is much as what we now do for seasonal flu cases. We do not search the whole country to identify everyone who possibly tests positive for the flu bugs. That test is done as needed.

The second is a social issue. That issue is for potential patients with any flu like suspicions to not self-treat alone, initially. That may be enough, as it often is with the flu, and as it was for you, but to be sure they need to get to a doctor and get tested early. If, socially, that is done, and someone’s symptoms worsen, then the best medical care regimens will begin early and result in fewer severe cases becoming deadly - just as is the case now with severe flu cases - early treatment as called for.

I say yes to the antibody testing to check the degree of likely herd immunity the society has. I say no to mass simple do you have Covid-19-postive tests for everyone universally. We do not do that now for the viruses that cause the seasonal flu; we live with the MILLIONS of seasonal flu cases the society gets, and with the accepted level of treatments we have for the most severe cases. That is all of where we need to be with the Wuhan virus, once enough people have had it and recovered.

[iontheball]

I’m in the same boat as you. It hit me around Christmas time, then seemed to go away, but it returned with a vengeance. I went to the doc and they prescribed an inhaler, z-pack, and Mucinex. Like you, I’m going to ask my doc for an anti-body test.

[amorphous]

Update: Just got the call on my niece’s most recent test for corona and it’s now negative - but chest x-rays still showing much congestion in her lungs...she is on another Zpak.