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I need this explained to me: Why is Remdesivir an improvement over HCQ/Zinc/Antibiotics?
4/17/2020 | Vanity

Posted on 04/17/2020 6:20:15 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs

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To: mjp

Understood. I get that there needs to be other options, but why the foot dragging on the option that was available given the side effects were so marginal?

Nobody even QUESTIONED taking HCQ when given an assignment to Africa or Asia. We just took it, and on an entire ship NOBODY reported any side effects. Nobody said, “Hey, watch your vitamin intake and your heart, because you can get really hosed on this stuff.”

It’s not like HCQ was invented in December. It’s an old, old drug.


21 posted on 04/17/2020 6:33:06 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: mvonfr

-—Because first scientific study of chloroquine showed that it is not a solution-—

Chinese study, for what it’s worth. But, in the body of the study, it said that chloroquine did significantly reduce symptoms. Also, the Std. of Care that the study used as a base line is a bit vague, especially if it is the Chinese standard of care. Additionally, these were patients already hospitalized in China. It is difficult to understand their true health status.

I don’t have an opinion as to the efficacy of HCQ, but I do have an opinion regarding this study: it does not show that HCQ is not an effective treatment early on.


22 posted on 04/17/2020 6:33:11 AM PDT by oldplayer
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To: MayflowerMadam

23 posted on 04/17/2020 6:33:42 AM PDT by kiryandil (Chris Wallace: Because someone has to drive the Clown Car)
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To: Black Agnes
The protocol being used now is HCQ/Zn/Azithromycin.

Azithromycin is known to cause issues for people with certain heart conditions. Alternatives to HCQ/Azithromycin are needed for these people.

24 posted on 04/17/2020 6:33:53 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: RinaseaofDs

Because, unlike NASCAR drivers, politicians + FauxChi + Brix + Redfield don’t have to wear their SPONSORS names on their clothing.


25 posted on 04/17/2020 6:34:29 AM PDT by JCL3 (As Richard Feynman might have said, this is reality taking precedence over public relations.)
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To: kiryandil

OMG! I had no idea the price difference is so dramatic. (Again ... follow the money, right?)


26 posted on 04/17/2020 6:34:54 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam ( For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a SOUND MIND.)
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To: mvonfr

https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-2-69

Actually, its part of a solution and the First scientific study showed that...fifteen years ago.

When you don’t even research work that has already been done and begin your own study with an agenda what you are doing isn’t science.


27 posted on 04/17/2020 6:35:23 AM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: oldplayer

Nothing, no data, from China is reliable. Should not even be cited.

We have a MOUNTAIN of empirical data right here in the US. We have politicians and movie stars cured by it and will not say a peep about it (except for that poor naive D from Georgia who is going to get hammered for having the poor sense than to be grateful to President Trump for pushing this).

If China said water was wet, I’d start from the position it wasn’t.


28 posted on 04/17/2020 6:35:31 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs

Because there’s no money in a $20 cure that’s been off patent for a number of years. Compare that with the cost of Remdesivir which is “new” and on patent. I’ve read $1000/dose.


29 posted on 04/17/2020 6:37:03 AM PDT by upchuck (Dan Bongino: The Democrats are The Virus)
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To: Mom MD

And there you have quite properly explained the extreme stupidity of the approach that is being advanced. Thank you for doing so, even if it was not your intent.


30 posted on 04/17/2020 6:37:13 AM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: Mom MD

But hydroxy with zinc and zpac is quite impressive and a whole heck of a lot cheaper.


31 posted on 04/17/2020 6:38:27 AM PDT by TBall
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To: Chauncey Gardiner

I think the HCQ has to start early in the process to be most effective.


32 posted on 04/17/2020 6:38:34 AM PDT by AppyPappy (How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?)
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To: RinaseaofDs

Shotgun vs rifle


33 posted on 04/17/2020 6:39:16 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Mom MD

Because. we need a way to treat vented patients that works.


Thanks for taking the time to answer.

Do you mean that HCQ can only be administered orally?


34 posted on 04/17/2020 6:40:37 AM PDT by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: RinaseaofDs

It would appear that the hydroxychloroquine/Zithromax regimen is most beneficial when begun in the earliest stages of the infection. Best results when given with the onset of fever and cough before the development of shortness of breath and pneumonitis and long before a confirmatory COVID-19 test can be reported. Many frontline physicians have noted not only clinical improvement but a decline in C Reactive Protein , which is a marked of inflammation and probable infection. The armchair scientists and epidemiologists will never concede or certify such a clinical approach, label all reports as antidotal, until there are prospective and retrospective studies to ponder and confirm. They loathe ethical Edisonian empiricism which historically has been at the core of medical advances.

The Democratic governors who are denying access to Hydroxychloroquine by making it nearly impossible for primary care physicians to timely prescribe and pharmacists to dispense have blood on their hands and ought to be held accountable.


35 posted on 04/17/2020 6:41:53 AM PDT by allendale (.)
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To: AppyPappy

Exactly; and that brings up a good point. Many of these “HCQ only” studies being when the patient is well into the disease. Very sad and exploitative.


36 posted on 04/17/2020 6:42:00 AM PDT by Chauncey Gardiner
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To: usconservative

An apparently far better substitute for those with certain heart issues is the antibiotic Doxycycline.


37 posted on 04/17/2020 6:44:30 AM PDT by RightGuy
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To: RinaseaofDs

It is hoped remdesivir would kill the virus as opposed to the zinc just stopping the replication of the virus inside the cell.


38 posted on 04/17/2020 6:45:12 AM PDT by Balata (Structure determines Function)
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To: Mom MD

I’ve also read that the Gilead drug has some bad side effects. Hard on the liver.


39 posted on 04/17/2020 6:45:27 AM PDT by TBall
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To: RinaseaofDs
Remdesivir is what doctors want to push as a treatment. It's the newest greatest thing, so therefore it has got to be better than something 60-plus years old. Besides Orange Man Bad and he pushed that other stuff, so we can't have that. And you can bet Remdesivir cost much more than that old stuff.

/sarc
40 posted on 04/17/2020 6:48:03 AM PDT by TexanByBirth (Free Republic: where they may agree with the message, but they love to shoot the messenger!)
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