https://www.neonrevolt.com/2020/04/16/its-going-to-be-biblical-a-deepdive-into-the-bloodlines-with-qanon-neonrevolt-greatawakening/
I appreciate the effort, and while I believe Neon Revolt is certainly sincere, this theory is so full of holes it could not float. If his assertions were true, they would destroy the Christian, as well as the philosophical understanding of God.
He has God speaking to other Elohim as if to other beings of equal stature or of the same essence to be more precise. He may not know that the primary statement of the Jewish religion was the shema. "Hear O Israel, the Lord God He is One. You shall Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and strength. And these words that I command you today shall be in your heart. And you shall teach them diligently to your children, and you shall speak of them when you sit at home, and when you walk along the way, and when you lie down and when you rise up. And you shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be for frontlets between your eyes. And you shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates." HE IS ONE..The great monotheistic statement.
You cannot introduce other beings, equal to God, called Elohim without destroying the Jewish understanding of God. Keep in mind that Judaism and the Jewish God is also the underpinning of the Christian faith.
Philosophically speaking it is important to note that there can be only one being which we understand to be the first cause of all things. This being would have existence as an attribute. That means that it exists necessarily. Anything that does not exist necessarily exists contingently, which simply means that it could either not exist (Me for example) or it could exist and be different than it is.
The question is "Why is there something instead of nothing?" philosophers have noted that, "If there ever was a time when nothing existed then nothing would exist now." Or to quote Stevie Wonder "Nothing from nothing leaves nothing, but you gotta have something if you're gonna be (exist) with me"
Anything which begins to exist is contingent, simply means that it could either not exist or exist and be different than it is. The universe began to exist a finite time ago. See Eistein, Hawking, or any other cosmologist with a PhD and they will affirm this to be true. Every contingent thing needs a cause. Therefore, the universe must have a cause.
The most important thing, though, is that there must be one thing that is uncaused which is the sufficient cause for all contingent things. Aristotle called it the unmoved mover. Aquinas referred to it as an efficient cause. Whatever the case there can be only one uncaused being.
Satan cannot qualify because he is not transcendent. (lacks the omni qualities; omnipotence, omnipresence, and omniscience) Nor can any other created being. BTW the bible records that all beings are created with the exception of God. This is why in the beginning of John's gospel he goes into such detail about how Christ was “from the beginning” uncreated. This separates Him from the angels. (p.s. While the name aggelos (Strong’s Greek no. 32) does mean "sent one" that is insufficient grounds upon which to create an entire category of beings equal to God who are merely fulfilling a role as sent ones).
Also, in his example from Job where he refers to Satan (which does mean adversary) as merely fulfilling a role. He leaves out that God is able to limit Satan and that Satan must receive permission for his actions. This hardly seems to indicate an equal being. Also don’t forget that Satan rebelled against God, tried to usurp His rightful place, and was cast out .Additionally, the apostle Paul notes in phillippians 2:6 that Jesus was found in the "form" of God. Jesus voluntarily placed Himself under the will of God not of necessity. “He emptied Himself and became obedient”.
Sorry this became so long, but Neon is badly mistaken in his understanding of God.
Now! All of that aside it in no way means that these families aren’t part of the Nephilim (demigods of old or as Genisis calls them men of renown) Either they imagine themselves to be Nephilim or there is something much more sinister going on.
I’m absolutely sure he doesn’t know the implications theologically of what he is putting out, but they are grim. Christians can’t accept this unless they are prepared to offer some altered form of Christianity. And, many Gods are not needed to make the argument about the Nephilim.
However, what if the elites (Rothschilds, etc. etc.) believe it, notwithstanding any theological implications in either direction, merely to fluff up their own pride, vanity, and "right to rule"?
Have long practiced spitting out the bones . . . whether with NEON REVOLT or others.
Having a very good Biblical foundation with a lot of memorized Scriptures is crucial.
And mankind said, “Let us make god in our image.”
It went downhill from there.
Thanks
“I’m absolutely sure he doesn’t know the implications theologically of what he is putting out, but they are grim. Christians can’t accept this unless they are prepared to offer some altered form of Christianity. And, many Gods are not needed to make the argument about the Nephilim.”
I read Neon Revolt’s thread and I agree with your assessment. You expressed things more fully than I ever could. Well done.
I had been taught that Genesis 6:1-4 referred to fallen angels uniting with humans. However, I have learned more fully and believe that not to be true. From the beginning people have either been God’s people or they have rejected God. It is the same today. Call God’s people the sons of God and the others the sons of man. By rejecting God the sons of man belong to the devil. The divide is clear throughout OT and NT. Those who reject God are capable of all manner of perversion and evil. The NWO may think they are their own gods, may consider themselves Nephilim or whatever bloodlines, but the real difference is they do belong to the devil. They serve their master. Hear what Jesus told Jews who kept trying to trap him by asking all kinds of questions. Tell me if that doesn’t sound like so many today.
John 8:44-59 New International Version (NIV)
44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
re Neon...All of that aside it in no way means that these families aren’t part of the Nephilim (demigods of old or as Genisis calls them men of renown) Either they imagine themselves to be Nephilim or there is something much more sinister going on.
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Yes, you are closer to the truth, methinks.
Nephilim World Order?
. I appreciate the effort, and while I believe Neon Revolt is certainly sincere, this theory is so full of holes it could not float. If his assertions were true, they would destroy the Christian, as well as the philosophical understanding of God.
I think that depends on which of his assertions we are talking about. No mortal is 100% accurate. Few are 100% wrong or off the wall.
He has God speaking to other Elohim as if to other beings of equal stature or of the same essence to be more precise. He may not know that the primary statement of the Jewish religion was the shema. "Hear O Israel, the Lord God He is One. You shall Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and strength. And these words that I command you today shall be in your heart. And you shall teach them diligently to your children, and you shall speak of them when you sit at home, and when you walk along the way, and when you lie down and when you rise up. And you shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be for frontlets between your eyes. And you shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates." HE IS ONE..The great monotheistic statement.
Of course that's an important point.
And, that's a point where I believe the "Book of Enoch" as we have it is flawed, wrong.
However, we do not have the back then perspective to know conclusively where the wrong entered in--i.e. how it entered in.
For me, that was not important. It was merely a bone to spit out.
You cannot introduce other beings, equal to God, called Elohim without destroying the Jewish understanding of God. Keep in mind that Judaism and the Jewish God is also the underpinning of the Christian faith.
Philosophically speaking it is important to note that there can be only one being which we understand to be the first cause of all things. This being would have existence as an attribute. That means that it exists necessarily. Anything that does not exist necessarily exists contingently, which simply means that it could either not exist (Me for example) or it could exist and be different than it is.
The question is "Why is there something instead of nothing?" philosophers have noted that, "If there ever was a time when nothing existed then nothing would exist now." Or to quote Stevie Wonder "Nothing from nothing leaves nothing, but you gotta have something if you're gonna be (exist) with me"
Anything which begins to exist is contingent, simply means that it could either not exist or exist and be different than it is. The universe began to exist a finite time ago. See Eistein, Hawking, or any other cosmologist with a PhD and they will affirm this to be true. Every contingent thing needs a cause. Therefore, the universe must have a cause.
The most important thing, though, is that there must be one thing that is uncaused which is the sufficient cause for all contingent things. Aristotle called it the unmoved mover. Aquinas referred to it as an efficient cause. Whatever the case there can be only one uncaused being.
Satan cannot qualify because he is not transcendent. (lacks the omni qualities; omnipotence, omnipresence, and omniscience) Nor can any other created being. BTW the bible records that all beings are created with the exception of God. This is why in the beginning of John's gospel he goes into such detail about how Christ was “from the beginning” uncreated. This separates Him from the angels. (p.s. While the name aggelos (Strong’s Greek no. 32) does mean "sent one" that is insufficient grounds upon which to create an entire category of beings equal to God who are merely fulfilling a role as sent ones).
Also, in his example from Job where he refers to Satan (which does mean adversary) as merely fulfilling a role. He leaves out that God is able to limit Satan and that Satan must receive permission for his actions. This hardly seems to indicate an equal being. Also don’t forget that Satan rebelled against God, tried to usurp His rightful place, and was cast out .Additionally, the apostle Paul notes in phillippians 2:6 that Jesus was found in the "form" of God. Jesus voluntarily placed Himself under the will of God not of necessity. “He emptied Himself and became obedient”.
Sorry this became so long, but Neon is badly mistaken in his understanding of God.
OF COURSE! He's a very flawed un-insightful, not well thought-out human on that score.
Now! All of that aside it in no way means that these families aren’t part of the Nephilim (demigods of old or as Genisis calls them men of renown) Either they imagine themselves to be Nephilim or there is something much more sinister going on.
Now, THAT'S the part I'm thankful that NEON REVOLT has raised and discussed. Some folks can receive that from him who could not receive it from other sources.
I’m absolutely sure he doesn’t know the implications theologically of what he is putting out, but they are grim. Christians can’t accept this unless they are prepared to offer some altered form of Christianity. And, many Gods are not needed to make the argument about the Nephilim.
Though I'm not in NEON REVOLT'S head, you are likely right--or else he is too casually sliding by that issue.
There are "many gods" and then there are "many gods." How many permutations might there be of that phrase, truth?
Of course there is only one Almighty God Yehovah Period.
Yet, it is clear that in various eons, millions of people construed fallen angels etc. as 'gods.' Labeling a created being as god does not make them God, of course.
Semantics can be important as note. But it is not necessary to get hung up on them or throw out insights needlessly because of them.
For me, it is sufficient to distinguish between little "g" gods vs Almighty GOD Yehovah.
I generally agree with you regarding nature of God, but that Neon’s other info might be correct...
Thank you for your long explanation. It was wonderfully, coherently written and settled nagging discomfort in mind with regard to some writings on this topic. Well worth the time to read and digest in connection with Neon Revolt.