I keep reading about this herd immunity but we will never get that all hiding at home.
We did the month.
It’s time to live again
Agreed.
Yup,
Touch and Go
There for a While,
Let’s get Back to
WORK PEOPLE!
“...herd immunity...”
When the unimpacted, “herd” comes out of hiding, with their varied and selective co-morbidities, the infections and deaths will be YUGE, especially if the virus mutates, which they are prone to do.
I keep reading about this herd immunity but we will never get that all hiding at home.
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You have pointed out the fatal flaw in this supposed expert’s argument. In a nutshell he said:
It’s a crisis.
It’s over.
Well he is half right. We have a population of about 330,000,000. We have identified 525,000 people who are infected. We know some people have very minor symptoms and never get counted. So the 525,000 understates the size of “the herd”.
So go up by a factor of 100 to 52,500,000 and you still don’t have herd immunity. That takes about 60% of 330,000,000 or a little under 200,000,000 cases.
The herd, safe treatments and vaccines will eventually save us but to claim it’s over is just silly and very unprofessional.
“I keep reading about this herd immunity but we will never get that all hiding at home.”
that is 100% correct!
and no, the C-19 epidemic isn’t over, but just getting started because of all of this “cowering in place” ...
Herd immunity is absolutely necessary for the C-19 contagion to burn itself out, but you won’t get that by having lockdowns because in fact lockdowns prevent herd immunity from occurring, and it doesn’t matter if the lockdown is a month or six months because the same exact thing will happen regardless of the length of lockdown when the un-lockdown occurs, namely a whole slew of new C-19 cases are going to occur, and that is completely unavoidable ... There’s no rocket science here, and public policy makers know all of the above, and their claim has always been that the lockdown was *ONLY* to avoid the unknown possibility of the medical system being overwhelmed by too many cases all at once.
President Trump’s dilemma (”the hardest decision I’ll ever have to make in my life”) is to how to prepare the public
for this inevitable new wave of illness and new wave of deaths.
However, if there’s a cheap, safe, effective and universally available cure in the early stages of C-19 infection as is now known to be the case with HCQ/antibiotic/zinc, then there is indeed a whole new ballgame, namely it doesn’t matter how many will get sick when the un-lockdown occurs, because very few will die due to the treatment, and we can therefore safely and quickly build herd immunity, and C-19 will burn itself out as it can no longer be spread once a certain threshold of immune people is reached ...
So, i believe that what is really going to drive the “reopening” date is having enough HCQ/antibiotic/zinc supplies across the nation to treat the hundreds of thousands of new (symptomatic) cases AS SOON AS THEY OCCUR when the nation reopens for business, because then lots of people getting sick from this disease won’t be that big of a deal if they can be effectively treated in the EARLY STAGES of the illness ... but if we do NOT have those curative supplies in place in sufficient quantities across our nation, then all hell would break lose politically if large numbers of people die as a result of the un-lockdown ...
[BTW, the Dems and fake stream enemedia know all of the above, which is why they’ve been desperately trying to discredit this treatment ... they are desperately hoping that President Trump will be put into a lose-lose situation by reopening the economy and having additions scores die that they can claim is his fault ... however, with an actual cure, none of that will happen and the economy can safely be reopened ... fortunately, the above treatment has practically become the standard of treatment in ERs and ICUs around the nation, and practically no one as far as i can tell believe the fairy tales manufactured by the fake stream media about the HCQ/antibiotic/zinc treatment]
I’m hearing that Texas is opening tomorrow, I think maybe in phases- not everything all at once.
Does the likelihood of a second wave increase with a longer lock down period? The Dems would love a second wave to hit in Sept or October.
The only person i know that has it at about 50+ got it working in a nursing home and has mild symptoms. yes let it go now and my prayer is that everyone has it and is now immune. “FU to the media, medical socalled scientists”
They - the U.S. politicians - avoided going for herd immunity while just protecting the most vulnerable for two reasons.
The initial error - The first reason was the CDC/FDA failed at very early development and production of test kits with which labs everywhere all over the country would readily ascertain samples from patients as Covid-19 positive, or not. That meant most early care was based only on (a) severe flu like symptoms, (b) but with seasonal flu virus tests negative. Thus case levels unknown and statistical worst case scenarios on the table as possible.
The second reason was with on top of the initial error the statistically possible wave of infections appeared to be one that could quickly overwhelm the health care system.
The combination resulted in the worst outcome - delay obtaining herd immunity by mass shutdowns for the only purpose of not overwhelming the health care system.
Trying to save the health care system from being overwhelmed required destroying a healthy economy with mass shutdowns of businesses.
Destroying the healthy economy required massive measures to try to “save” the economy by massive tax expenditures - $trillions.
Contrary to what was done, an infusion directly into the health care industry of less than one half of what is to be spent on economic stimulus, could have provided the means to sustain higher Covid-19 case loads this year, while we obtained herd immunity and did not shut down the economy.
Without herd immunity achieved here in the spring of 2020, the viral infections WILL mount up again in the fall, just as the flu always does, and many who did not get their mild infections already will be getting them then, and spreading them again to likely severe-case individuals. Likely not changing a total severe case count for all of 2020 & 2021 that could have been more greatly absorbed in 2020 alone, without an economic shutdown.
I think it is not how many will get an infection or die altogether, over the course of an epidemic, but only at which point in the epidemic will they each occur, before the population is through with the worst of it.
Until enough recoverable cases have been undertaken, the population as whole remains vulnerable, not “safe”.