Posted on 04/02/2020 9:56:02 AM PDT by Mariner
Yesterday is here:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3830614/posts?q=1&;page=1
That article you linked...about not wearing masks/face covers....merely regurgitates what the CDC has been saying about wearing masks.
And, we all know better than to trust the CDC.
Clearly
Don’t
Care
about the masses.
Several of our local safety agencies are saying TO wear cotton (bandana) masks/coverings, to keep conversational droplets (aka spit) from traveling from one person to the next.
Now, how effective are these bandanas at protecting from CV? I’d say at least somewhat better than wearing nothing at all.
How nice. I suppose they will get room service too.
Did you see the vid of the Houston mayor telling area crooks to just chill?
LOL.
How long do you have to wear a mask before bacteria and viruses grow?
(Sorry it’s so late in the thread.) Thanks for Corona virus daily thread #35, Mariner!
Welllllll.....who didn’t see THIS coming????
Bill Gates Calls for a “Digital Certificate” to Identify Who Received COVID-19 Vaccine
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3831366/posts
Nope. Bill is wanting to be all up in everybody’s koolaid.
Forget to save seed? Tsk, tsk...
Oh heck no.
I’ve got a stand up freezer full.
But I can always manage to find *something* I didn’t have before and really NEEEEEED.
LOL.
Just planted 100 assorted Salanova lettuce seeds I scored from Johnny’s...just in time, I guess. When our Yukon Gem and fingerling potatoes show up; we’ll be gold. God has been AMAZING to us!
I USED to have that problem...I sought help.
Too rainy here when it was time to plant potatoes.
We’ll have to manage with sweet potatoes this year. I’ve got a bunch in containers to slip.
Nah, it’s an old freezer in the garage. Not hurting anyone.
I’ve got seeds for the whole neighborhood if they want.
Viruses that affect humans require healthy human cells to reproduce. (Well, until they damage the cell beyond being useful, or kill them.) They DO live longer on damp cloth than dry cloth, but they do not multiply there.
Bacteria, I’m not sure of — it likely varies with the bacteria. (Some may like to eat most anything organic?)
It’d likely take a few hours for bacteria to multiply in a big way in a damp cloth mask, but, if it’s damp, swap it out for a dry mask after a half hour.
If you start with a clean or disinfected N95 mask it should be fine for several hours, unless you have someone coughing big blobs of mucous all over it, or are in a very high viral load environment such as treating COVID-19 patients in a room lacking negative pressure. Dust can also clog a N95 mask, so I use a cloth mask as a prefilter over the N95. (I discovered this doing some remodeling some years back.) If the wearer has reason to think they might be infectious, an inner pre-filter seems to make sense. I’ve done that for my Mom due to me having a long running (2 months) chest cold. She’s 89+, so I am trying to avoid exposing her to even something that seems mild / non-dangerous to me.
N95 masks can be sterilized with heat: I’m now going with 150 deg. F for at least an hour. Possibly that slightly degrades the mask each time, but I have yet to see a study specifically at that temperature / time. Cloth — a laundry cycle with even a medium heat drying cycle that thoroughly dries the cloth should be sufficient. Viruses can’t take drought, so, dry them out thoroughly.
Disclaimer: I am not an “expert”, just reasonably well informed by now, I think! YMMV.
I missed that presser. What happened?
So you claim that the extra 11x normal deaths in Italy not attributed to CCP-19 are the result of some failed drug that Italy just happened to get? Is it related to the CCP-19 outbreak or merely a coincidence? How does that relate to France, Spain and now Brazil? And you mentioned the UK, but they have plenty of surplus deaths.
Your argument seems nonsensical, so maybe you had better try again.
Already over 1300 US deaths today.
You're admitting that confirmed cases over death isn't the same as infected over death. Yet state confirmed cases over death as though it's the "death rate"
No, I gave the formal definitions for CFR and DCR both of which are referred to as "death rate" however incorrectly. I explained the difference and pointed out how FluBros try to conflate them and make up an imaginary host of other cases to downplay the severity of this disease like you are doing. I've been gracious enough to try to explain things to you, but it appears pointless.
Then you says "they (often times deliberately) conflate the definitions"
Like you just did.
You're really into Saul Alinsky? Or do you have trouble in math regarding conversions? Such as acceleration kilometer/square second does not equal to metre/square second.
Nice try, Mr. Panda. But you are simply trying to disrupt the thread, or, at the very best possible, projecting. But most likely just a paid disruptor.
I clearly distinguished that 2% as some place different from Italy. 2% is where South Korea is likely to end up. They are finding low numbers of cases and testing widely, so their CFR and DCR are converging (currently 2.8% and 1.7%, respectively). Their rate of finding new cases is slower than the rate at which known cases are dying. To get to 0.2% they'd have to find something like another 100,000 cases - and they simply are not there. To get to 1.3% they'd have to find another 3 or 4 thousand cases. Oh, and all of those newfound cases would have to live.
We also have the Diamond Princess where everybody on board was tested multiple times. We know
EXACTLY(you don't have to be a putz, Mr. Panda)
how many people were infected and how many were asymptomatic, critical, etc., and how many died. Their current CFR is 2.1% and their current DCR is 1.8%.
In both instances a significant number of cases have not yet resolved. Both are large enough to be representative populations for 1 or 2 significant figure calculations. In both cases we have containment or near containment and thorough testing. And in both cases they have the full resources of an entire nation with a first world HCS focused on the problem. Barring a breakthrough and the deployment of effective treatment, that 2% number is the best we can expect.
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