The shutdown is failing because of a bunch of big narcissistic babies who won’t stay home.
Unfortunately, many of these narcs self identify as Republicans.
Posted on 03/24/2020 10:11:11 AM PDT by Mariner
Thread #25 here:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3827443/posts?page=1
I hate to tell you...but until we get supply chains for lots of stuff from SOMEWHERE up and running (and I don’t meant cheap plastic crap), it won’t make any difference to many businesses whether they’re open or not.
Already seeing issues with spare parts availability at our local hardware store.
Ditto the freezer situation I mentioned in the previous thread.
Once the appliance manufacturers run out of the electronic components to ‘make’ the appliances (here or elsewhere) it won’t make a difference if thie appliance stores are open or not.
No freezers to be found in a 100m radius of my house right now. And that includes a major metropolitan area and several smaller cities.
When those freezers get restocked again is anyone’s guess at this point.
With no economy, who is going to pay for the healthcare system?
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Good point. Someone said...
“We cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself.”
No, it is not good.
Didn’t realize they had already been released.
If you destroy the economy, you can’t pay for the healthcare system.
If you destroy the health care system, you destroy the economy.
Take your pick.
Enjoy.
If you isolated your family because you’re scared, don’t you think the workers at those businesses you insist on opening aren’t scared too? If you’re unwilling to expose your family to danger, why do you hate their families? Are you willing to pay their potentially catastrophic medical bills?
The shutdown is failing because of a bunch of big narcissistic babies who won’t stay home.
Possibility of infection will continue until "heard immunity" kicks in. And perhaps even after that, if this particular virus mutates to different strains (which I believe it is capable of doing), and if new strains are able to circumvent previous immunity, like the seasonal flu.
I pulled down the Confirmed Case data used by JH that is housed on GitHub and then pulled in the population counts by country (and state) from the UN (yea, I know...work with me). In the table below, I list select countries and US states' Confirmed Case Counts. I then 'standarize' that data by dividing each nation or state's Confirmed Case Count by the respective population, then I multiply that standardized value by the US' population, to put each nation/state's Confirmed Case Count on a standardized basis.
| Country/Region | Population (MM) | Confirmed Cases 3/22/2020 | Standardized Cases 3/22/2020 | Rank by Confirmed Cases Mar 22 | Rank by Standardized Cases Mar 22 |
| Austria | 9.0 | 3,244 | 119,204 | 15 | 7 |
| Belgium | 11.5 | 3,401 | 96,986 | 14 | 9 |
| California | 39.5 | 1,642 | 13,675 | 19 | 21 |
| China | 1,433.8 | 81,511 | 18,707 | 1 | 19 |
| Denmark | 5.8 | 1,514 | 86,316 | 20 | 10 |
| Florida | 21.5 | 830 | 12,717 | 21 | 23 |
| France | 65.1 | 16,176 | 81,728 | 9 | 12 |
| Germany | 83.5 | 24,873 | 98,002 | 6 | 8 |
| Hubei | 58.5 | 67,800 | 381,378 | 2 | 1 |
| Iran | 82.9 | 21,638 | 85,876 | 7 | 11 |
| Italy | 60.6 | 59,138 | 321,391 | 3 | 2 |
| Korea, South | 51.2 | 8,897 | 57,153 | 12 | 15 |
| Massachusetts | 6.9 | 646 | 30,589 | 22 | 18 |
| New Jersey | 8.9 | 1,914 | 70,909 | 18 | 13 |
| New York | 19.5 | 15,793 | 267,145 | 10 | 4 |
| Norway | 5.4 | 2,383 | 145,786 | 16 | 6 |
| Pennsylvania | 12.8 | 509 | 13,083 | 24 | 22 |
| Spain | 46.7 | 28,768 | 202,550 | 5 | 5 |
| Sweden | 10.0 | 1,934 | 63,410 | 17 | 14 |
| Switzerland | 8.6 | 7,245 | 277,497 | 13 | 3 |
| Texas | 29.0 | 627 | 7,116 | 23 | 24 |
| United Kingdom | 67.5 | 11,423 | 55,663 | 11 | 16 |
| US | 329.1 | 33,272 | 33,272 | 4 | 17 |
| US excl NY | 329.1 | 17,479 | 18,577 | 8 | 20 |
Well..the US, with her fourth highest number of Confirmed Cases at the end of March 22, 2020 is actually 17th on this list when you adjust for the population! Further, if you remove New York (which is accounting for about half of the US' growth over the past three days), the US is the 20th lowest out of these 24 select countries/states. China gets a pickup because of it's huge population, but Hubei remains at the top, as does Italy. Perhaps most shocking is Switzerland: she looks like a standardized disaster, with a size-adjusted 250k Confirmed Case load. Similarly, New York State on a size-adjusted basis almost looks like Italy and Switzerland. In fact, Europe looks pretty bad as a group - except for the United Kingdom.
The economic and human wreckage that's overwhelming Europe and which has overwhelmed Asia is starting in America. It's also worth noting, as I showed, that the major areas and cities seem to be getting hit harder than other areas: look at New York and New Jersey vs Texas or Pennsylvania or even California.
But the US as a nation seems to be in a relatively better position on a size-adjusted basis. Maybe that's because we've been 'attacked' later in the process. I will pray that the US comes out of this mess, stronger than ever, in order for America to lead the world back to peace and prosperity. Domine, non sum dignus ut intres sub tectum meum, sed tantum dic verbo, et sanabitur anima mea.
Here is a good site for statistical analysis of China’s export volumes: Port Of Long Beach
https://www.polb.com/business/port-statistics#latest-statistics
It would be interesting to see how Madrid alone would rate on your chart...
Great chart which compares flu deaths in the entire year to Covid19 deaths in the last week. Average flu deaths are at most 200 per day assuming a 120 day flu season. 140 Covid19 deaths yesterday.
“Trump has lost my vote.”
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I trust him to balance the opposing viewpoints based on the granular virus data throughout the country, and the outcome of suppression/cure efforts made in the next few weeks. Because he loves this country and its people.
Most workers are more concerned about feeding their families.
1200 dollars only goes so far.
If a person is scared, they can isolate themselves, but let people make their own decisions.
The only way to conquer this is through herd immunity. By allowing the low risk people to go back to work, and yes some of them will get the virus. However, their mortality rate will be no different than the flu. It then establishes herd immunity which helps the high risk.
Otherwise, we will get rolling waves of infection until a vaccine is created, which could take 18 months.
If isolation is needed, isolate hotspots. Not the whole country.
PA doesn’t have the same level of participation in public transit as NYC metro in particular.
TX and CA have warmer temps (fewer outside fomites compared to NY), much less participation in shared transit systems and more sunshine (higher levels of D3).
South of I40 might not turn into a complete sh*t show that NYC/WA seem to have done.
Then there’s likely strain difference mortality/morbidity/R0 rates.
This fall might be another big outbreak.
Let’s all hope the antivirals ride to the rescue as they’re seeming to do.
IMHO they’re the reason Trump wants to reopen the economy. They might make it safe to do so.
Last thread got cluttered up with gardening talk, which is completely understandable, but made it hard to follow either the corona discussions or the gardening discussions.
So here’s a link to help with the gardening discussions.
Weekly Garden Thread - March 21- 27, 2020
http://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3827019/posts
You haven’t talked to many workers then. None of my hubby’s 30 something coworkers want to tangle with this thing after the early 40 something in new orleans was in the icu for several weeks. Who can pay THAT bill? Make a few bucks back at work and then whammo you can never retire.
And it’s 1200/person.
Family of four gets 3400.
Much less use of mass transit in CA than the eastern seaboard states. That’s a big factor.
Then they quit their job if they are scared. You are saying the government should tell them what to do. Their jobs will not be there if they stay home, because we will be in a depression.
3400 is nothing. That goes fast.
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