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Corona Virus Daily Thread #26

Posted on 03/24/2020 10:11:11 AM PDT by Mariner

Thread #25 here:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3827443/posts?page=1


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To: Black Agnes

“HOWEVER, YOU want everyone ELSE to get back to work because YOUR portfolio is suffering.”

I think a lot of the rage about how this is unconstitutional, over reacting, the cure is worse than the disease, etc. is coming from well funded people who are physically protected themselves, they know they won’t get the virus, but their companies are suffering, and they want everyone to go back to work.

They understand the problem, they just prefer the “burn through” approach. They probably prefer martial law, too, to keep things intact during the process.

Total fatalities is not their concern. They are wiling to have more fatalities in order to get their companies back online sooner.

They are already looking forward to and planning on the investments they can make during the rebuilding phase.


101 posted on 03/24/2020 11:27:42 AM PDT by BusterDog
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To: BusterDog

No one is saying you have to go to work. What you want is the government being the nanny state telling you what to do.
Most cases are mild.
If you choose to stay home, fine. Don’t take that choice away from others.


102 posted on 03/24/2020 11:29:45 AM PDT by kaila
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To: jstolzen

RE: “I don’t even care what party Cuomo is in - I watched his press conference this morning, and that man is a GREAT. LEADER. ... Too bad Andrew is not running.”

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I wouldn’t trust Andrew Cuomo to lead anything, much less the United States. He’s not a great leader in any way or form. For example... [article link at bottom]

Several years ago, after learning that the Empire State’s stockpile of medical equipment had 16,000 fewer ventilators than the 18,000 New Yorkers would need in a severe pandemic, state public-health leaders came to a fork in the road.

They could have chosen to buy more ventilators to back up the supplies hospitals maintain. ­Instead, the health commissioner, Howard Zucker, assembled a task force for rationing the ventilators they already had.

In 2015, that task force came up with rules that will be imposed when ventilators run short. ­Patients assigned a red code will have highest access, and other ­patients will be assigned green, yellow or blue (the worst), ­depending on a “triage officer’s” decision.

In truth, a death officer. Let’s not sugar-coat it. It won’t be up to your own doctor.

In 2015, the state could have purchased the additional 16,000 needed ventilators for $36,000 apiece, or a total of $576 million. It’s a lot of money, but in hindsight, spending half a percent of the budget to prepare for pandemic was the right thing to do.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/we-didnt-have-to-have-ventilator-shortage-leaders-chose-not-to-prep-for-pandemic/


103 posted on 03/24/2020 11:30:20 AM PDT by deks
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To: BusterDog

Lookner consumes way too much MSM (Enemedia).


104 posted on 03/24/2020 11:31:20 AM PDT by rfp1234 (Democratus Partitus Delendus Est)
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To: CharleysPride
Ron is someones front man .
No one is this incompetent .
Ronnie , Hello New York and NJ are flooding here by CAR .
NY is infecting other states too like the NC blue ridge mtn region.
Under Ron’s leadership FL will be the next big virus cluster .
105 posted on 03/24/2020 11:31:43 AM PDT by ncalburt (Gop DC Global)
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To: Black Agnes

“No freezers to be found in a 100m radius of my house right now. And that includes a major metropolitan area and several smaller cities...When those freezers get restocked again is anyone’s guess at this point.”

This is what we feared from the beginning - having an extra chest freezer is nice, but I suspect that most homes (and certainly most apartments) have but a SINGLE refer. What happens when that breaks, and there are no parts to fix it, and no new refers to replace it?

Like it or not, the country is now heading backwards in development and the longer it takes Trump and his people to figure it out and actually DO ANYTHING (such as deregulating, big time, and shutting down unions) the further backwards we’ll end up. So far, I have yet to see anything specific (such as the temporary elimination of efficiency requirements on appliances, for example). Maybe it’s out there, but I haven’t seen it.

Maybe if the refer in Kudlow’s house breaks, he’ll figure out that our situation is FAR WORSE than he or anyone else near Trump ever thought.


106 posted on 03/24/2020 11:34:40 AM PDT by BobL
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To: BusterDog
I think a lot of the rage about how this is unconstitutional, over reacting, the cure is worse than the disease, etc. is coming from well funded people who are physically protected themselves, they know they won’t get the virus, but their companies are suffering, and they want everyone to go back to work.

They are called country club conservatives. See older poll below.



107 posted on 03/24/2020 11:34:53 AM PDT by In_Iowa_not_from
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To: Black Agnes

I worked in the early days of AIDS, when everyone else was afraid of AIDS patients, but I still went to work as a nurse. So you can stop saying my portfolio is going to be ruined influencing my decision. I worked in the trenches for 30 years, you did not .
The only way we are going to solve this is herd immunity, and by allowing people to stay home with government financial assistance for the next couple of months if they are high risk.
A quarantine solves nothing. It only takes one person to transmit this virus again.


108 posted on 03/24/2020 11:35:13 AM PDT by kaila
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To: In_Iowa_not_from

“They are called country club conservatives. See older poll below.”

The workers response if the virus spreads to fast will be to just not go to work. Then you’ve got a collapsing economy and no effective slowing down of the virus spread. You failed to balance the slowing of the economy with the slowing of the virus spread. You lost on both fronts.


109 posted on 03/24/2020 11:38:04 AM PDT by BusterDog
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To: amorphous

A completely meaningless figure. The engine of the economy has no representation there.


110 posted on 03/24/2020 11:39:46 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: SanchoP

Your chart is not accurate as the mortality rate of the flu vs CV19 cannot be accurately compared. Flu deaths are underrepresented as there is a flu vaccine that skews the flu deaths lower. An un-vaccinated flu population would be a warranted if this were a controlled study.


111 posted on 03/24/2020 11:41:45 AM PDT by CodeJockey (Dum Spiro, Pugno)
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To: Mariner

They stopped testing in LA County. You have to be severely sick to get tested there. Mayors are coming down with it. Will be our next New York.


112 posted on 03/24/2020 11:43:23 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: kaila

I don’t understand why there is not more isolation of hotspots, that would help healthcare a great deal. I don’t know why it has to be all or nothing.

I think the only way to get through is an ebb and flow. Shut down. Let up, shut down. Let up.

Once we let it into our county, this is the only way to manage it. It’s a balancing act.


113 posted on 03/24/2020 11:44:04 AM PDT by LilFarmer
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To: Pollard

I believe I said I’m NOT voting for Biden.

OR Trump at this point, unless he reverses direction and prioritizes American lives over the economy.

Every President’s FIRST priority is keeping Americans safe.

What I heard this PM during his “town hall” on FNC was staggering in ignorance. Open the economy back up..comparing it to “the flu” (oh my God), car crashes, etc.

Our healthcare systems are absolutely going to collapse. NY is just the first of what is coming to every single city in America within weeks and months.

And when that happens..the economy will crash hard anyway. The only difference will be a lot of very sick / terminal / dead Americans AND a crashed economy, instead of just a crashed economy. Not a good choice, but those are the choices.


114 posted on 03/24/2020 11:44:38 AM PDT by jstolzen
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To: kaila
A quarantine solves nothing.

It helps to flatten the "curve", and thereby lessens the impact on overwhelmed ERs/ICUs...

And saves lives until treatments, vaccines, or heard immunity kicks in.

115 posted on 03/24/2020 11:46:52 AM PDT by amorphous
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To: deks

Ouch. Two New York heavies fighting it out. Cuomo needs to put some ice on that. Lol.


116 posted on 03/24/2020 11:47:57 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: goodnesswins

Agreed on that. Cuomo should have shut the subways down. I read he was considering that at one point. No idea why he didn’t.


117 posted on 03/24/2020 11:50:52 AM PDT by jstolzen
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To: ncalburt

The tourism industry owns Florida. Rick Scott was a tough businessman and could handle them. DeSantis, not so much. Not a bad guy, just the wrong man at this time for the job.


118 posted on 03/24/2020 11:51:07 AM PDT by Pollard (shadowbanned)
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To: TigerClaws

That would be according to common core math, eh, Governor?


119 posted on 03/24/2020 11:51:08 AM PDT by calenel (Don't panic. Prepare and be vigilant. Join the war effort. On the human side.)
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To: kaila

You had protection, as a nurse. Are you going to mail these men some serious PPE? If not, sit down.

These men install computer equipment for a living.

Guess where that equipment is made? One guess...

As of may or june, unless we get more of that, they’re out of a job anyways.

They’d rather NOT be jobless AND have million dollar medical bills to boot.

If you are personally willing to pay those medical bills to allow them to achieve herd immunity I’m all ears...

But you can’t do anything about the supply chain from China. That’s baked into the cake at this point.

Unless you know of somewhere else that makes that equipment? It won’t matter if these men work this week. Or next for that matter...


120 posted on 03/24/2020 11:52:49 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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