Posted on 03/23/2020 3:20:52 PM PDT by bort
You may well be right. I’ll be curious by end of this week if the drug treatment is working for patients.
Very true. But there's other ways to gauge their virus problems without using their phony figures.
It’s anti-freedom socialist big government lovers like you that have ruined FR. Personal liberty be damned according to you. Let me give you a site that might be a better fit - www.democraticunderground.com
Which state are you in? Will you answer that?
Shortness of breath is also a symptom of anemia......a very common affliction from not eating the right foods.
Pretty sad when your hype is crashing about you and all you have is pointing out grammar errors...stay well in your (y-o-u-r) lockdown.
Yes, here in Washington state we have a flat trend. We have been testing 3 to 4,00 per day and there are usually just about 100 who test positive.
Our deaths have been running something like six, eleven, eight, only one yesterday. Then today 15 deaths were reported but I consider that basically add one and 15 together and divide by two. That is basically our average death rate for the last two weeks.
We are at 110 deaths as of today but it is not an exponential rate.
If the disease was allowed to progress through the entire US population with no controls whatsoever, it would run it's course in less than six months. We'd probably lose 1-2 million people, many of whom have cancer or other diseases that will take them if the coronavirus doesn't. The ones that it doesn't kill will have permanent immunity.
As I understand it, South Korea took an isolationist strategy. Their stats look great, but their population hasn't developed immunity to it, and they won't be able to maintain an isolationist strategy indefinitely. They can't act like China of the 15th century.
I have a long time friend that is in the middle of the mitigation effort. I believe what they tell me. If this were just the flu, or the end of the world, they would tell me. It is neither. It’s closer to the flu end of the spectrum, but it isn’t the flu.
All the curve flattening is because we are doing what needs to be done, all over the world. In some places better than others, in some later than was warranted, but everybody, over a hundred countries, are fighting this virus. In a very real sense, this is a world war, (almost) all of humanity against the virus. Not sure which side China is on, but we’ll sort that later.
We got on it early - first wave from China almost stopped cold, second wave from Europe, not so successful, third wave coming across the borders now, arrest in progress. All credit to President Trump. Our curve *should* flatten, except, de Blasio was a dolt NYC is going to be worse, maybe much worse than it is now and they are primarily driving the curve. WA got on their problem early as well, and they were lucky - it was concentrated in a small area for the most part and they were able to do exhaustive contact tracing. I hear they’ve given up testing in LA - not sure of the reason, but that seems like a bad idea.
I don’t see how we can be overcounting CV deaths. It pretty much requires a positive test to get one counted in the first place. I suspect there are actually a bunch of them that never got counted and were just attributed to viral pneumonia before CCP-19 was on the radar.
If the malaria meds are as effective as hoped, this could be over in weeks rather than months or years. But only if we all do our bit. We have to limit the damage being done by the proud spreaders so our countermeasures can get ahead of the spread. It’s not that hard. I don’t understand why people have such a tough time of it, aside from pathological levels of ODD.
Same here. I haven’t been 100% for weeks. Mainly still only a dry cough. At its peak I was coughing so much I was throwing up. And tired. Feeling much better now but still coughing from time to time. Dry. No congestion or phlegm
“Wuhan and Lombardy are not here. Nor are the hygienic protocols, social norms, etc.”
Depends on the part of the country, or even the part of NYC or LA or many other places.
In China they have a thin veneer of modern medicine over a cesspool of superstition, mysticism and herbal medicine. In Italy they have a shallow first world medical system due to socialized medicine, but no depth, and Lombardy’s was among the best in Europe. We, generally, have more depth and better doctors in our HCS, but NYC isn’t looking too good due to the social policies of the entrenched political class there. And they have their “foreign” social norms as well.
If we were at the level of Italy, never mind China, NYC’s HCS would already have collapsed. We’re lucky we turned away from that road in 2016. If it were that bad I’d be somewhere far away from here (SW NH) right now. Having MA and VT right next door is scary enough.
Ohio order, stay home. (Except to go out and check the hospital???)
Dr. Bird just spoke at Trumps press conference. She didn’t support anything you are saying.
“iows, you come in with esophageal varies and test positive for covig, and then you bleed to death from the varices...its the covig that killed you ...NOT!”
Well, they are doing the opposite in some places as well.
But this isn’t hockey, so we can’t credit assists. If you wouldn’t be dead but for having CCP-19, then that’s what killed you in my book. no matter how old or how many underlying conditions.
They don’t generally test you for CCP-19 unless you are showing symptoms for it or have had contact with a known case. If you turn yellow and die from liver failure, they wouldn’t necessarily test you for CCP-19 since jaundice would be a clear indication of too many tequilas. I suspect the numbers either way aren’t outrageously distorting the stats.
In Italy right now, the Chinese (medical assistance they sent) are reattributing the deaths to what ever convenient underlying condition they can. In Germany they’ve been doing that all along. Same in China and Iran. But most of those people would still be around if not for CCP-19. And in some of those places the people that really do die from strokes or heart attacks or even car wrecks would not necessarily have died if the hospitals were not clogged with CCP-19 cases.
Kennestone Hospital in Marietta, GA is overwhelmed. Piedmont Hospital in Atlanta is overwhelmed. These are the best hospital choices in N. Atlanta and they are overwhelmed with critical patients.
Let me add a little more perspective.
If we don’t contain this, CCP-19 will top that list even if our HCS survives. By a lot. That’s assuming that only the same number of people that normally get the flu caught it. But without any vaccines or existing immunities, penetrance would be in the 70 to 90% range. So instead of 1 in 7 people catching the flu, 5 or 6 out of 7 would catch CCP-19.
So all the little things and all the big things we are being asked - and told - to do matter. That’s what this is all about. Slowing it down until we have an effective treatment. We won’t have a vaccine this year, and probably not next year. Our best hope right now is HCQ+AZT and that could be rolled out in a few weeks if we are lucky.
The abortion card.
Yes. Were it up to me I would make virtually all abortions illegal, excluding only cases where either the baby or the mother were pretty much guaranteed to die - then it’s the parents’ decision. In the short run, I’ll take what ever I can get on that front. Meaning that certain rare exceptions would be permitted if that meant the bulk of abortions were illegal. Maximize life to the extent you can.
So even though it would not be all I want, exceptions for rape or incest, or if the life of the mother was very significantly at risk. As uncommon as those situations are, they are a stumbling block for any pro life legislation at this point.
But this isn’t about abortions. Otherwise you’d be cheering on the shutdowns since many abortions clinics are currently shut down.
Only 12 times as deadly as your average flu.
In a population that has never been exposed to it, before, and has no immunities.
What could possibly go wrong?
“Kennestone Hospital in Marietta, GA is overwhelmed. Piedmont Hospital in Atlanta is overwhelmed. These are the best hospital choices in N. Atlanta and they are overwhelmed with critical patients.”
According to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/,
as of this evening, the total cases in Georgia is 803, total deaths is 26, with 3 deaths today. Can’t they spread the patients out a little?
I already corrected some of your misperceptions.
They weren’t all sitting in the Grand Ballroom playing bingo. They were distributed in chunks with separate air and private bathrooms, had masks and other prophylactic items, practiced social distancing including confinement, and had all of the resources of an entire country focused on them. It wasn’t the petri dish some are describing it as.
Also, 8 people on the ship have died and 1 that was returned to the US has also died. That we know of. And even after all this time, 127 cases are still unresolved. The death rate among cases sent to our superior HCS is twice that for the rest of the infected. Overall, it is comparable with the SK stats. Except more time has passed and we still have a crowd of infected - 18% have yet to recover or die.
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