Posted on 03/23/2020 11:06:41 AM PDT by impimp
Flubros day 5!
It’s just the flu, bro.
Starting this thread earlier in the day today so that East Coasters can see it more easily.
How do you become a flubro (or flubra) and join the caucus? Easy - all you have to do is correctly recognize that Wuhan Chinese flu is not really that dangerous compared to an ordinary flu and the government/media/health care industrial complexes are overblowing things.
Swine flu killed 12k in one year a decade ago in the USA and hardly anything got shut down. The economic consequences of this overreach will kill more than this virus.
Let’s do some math to help you understand what happens as this spreads:
Italy had a total of 68,000 deaths attributable to flu in the winter months between 2013 and 2017. That’s 5 years worth of deaths, or an average of 13,600 flu deaths per year.
Italy currently has 6,077 coronavirus deaths, and their hospitals look like a war zone. There is no sign of significant slowing.
There are 3,204 in ICU, and a queue of 4,800 waiting for ICU treatment. Doctors are predicting that patients over 60 will start getting denied ventilators.
BEAR IN MIND, this is with STRICT lockdown measures. If you are caught outside without a good reason, you can literally be arrested and charged - certainly fined 2,000 euro.
Italy will easily surpass a yearly flu death total in the next ten days... WITH STRICT LOCKDOWN. (Unless chloroquine + azithromycin gives a miraculous turn in the trend.)
Italy claims that 99% of fatalities had “existing conditions.” Of that, they identified 75% as having (ready for this?) HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE. That’s right, an “existing condition” that 46% of Americans are estimated to suffer from. So half of America potentially has a fatality inducing “existing condition.”
But you focus on deaths, right? The problem is, death isn’t the only outcome that sucks bad from coronavirus. There are multiple reports of follow-in illnesses, like pulmonary fibrosis, and organ damage, among even the young and healthy that recover.
This is about to blow up in India. New York City will be the next Wuhan in the United States.
That's NEVER happened to me....
I hesitate to be labeled a ‘flubro’ until the China Virus can actually get to 20-50k deaths and prove it’s at least as deadly as the flu.
smh About like video of the ICE children in cages taken during the Obama Administration but played on National News as crimes of President Trump. Or Democrat Leftist Protesters putting their own children in caged outside municipal buildings and the Nightly News passing then off as President Trumps Holding cells at the border.
Have you ever seen a person in palliative care die in a hospital. I was horrified to see it happen with my own mother but thirty of us sat in the rather large room with the nurses and doctors constantly telling us that keeping her alive longer only prolongs her misery.
If you don't like the video from Italy, don't watch the socialist propaganda or you can just keep watching and keep being played.
I like it...I shouldn’t be so quick to equate the two. The flu is worse.
Yes
Why do you ask? What’s so hard about taking a lesson? For conservatives it’s infrequent but it happens.
Friend, I have some bad news.
Well - first the hope: pray the chloroquine + azithromycin works as advertised. We’ll know in one week. It it does, it may be the silver bullet to avoid what I’m about to write.
The economic hits may not be done. Not by a long shot. If the drug combo doesn’t work, we may be looking at a global economic reset of the likes never seen before. This has nothing to do with fearmongering - it has everything to do with mechanics that have been in motion for YEARS.
Let me try to sum up:
There is a global sovereign debt crisis. It is particularly bad in the eurozone and not so hot in the U.S. either. Congress is about to pass a multi-trillion dollar bailout package. That is going to need to be funded. It will NOT be funded through growth. Instead, the U.S. will attempt a debt sale.
Here’s the rub: a ton of countries are going to try the same thing. With trillions in wealth obliterated, and multiple countries with existing sovereign debt issues attempting a sale at the same time, what is going to be the appetite for buyers? What happens if we have a debt sale and don’t get enough interest to fund this new legislation?
The fed will bail us out by buying the debt. But as you may know, that means it will basically be a fiat buy. What will that do to the value of existing treasuries is such a large fiat buy is made? People will start dumping treasuries. The dollar will take a hit, too, and China will start unloading it’s stockpile.
This will happen in countries across the globe. International debt markets will fumble and hard assets will be king. Do you think a country like China will take deflated fiat bills for their existing debt? I anticipate that they’ll choose to freeze and repatriate American assets on Chinese soil instead. They may be so emboldened that they will invade Taiwan, and aggressively expand into the South China Sea. They’ll do this, of course, on the pretense of “protecting themselves against the risk of reinfection from the American virus.”
We, of course, will freeze Chinese assets here in response. That could quickly escalate into a hot war where China decides Alaska is just compensation for their debt, but that would be an extreme case.
Either way, expect global economies to start crumbling it the drug duo fails. Italy was already on the precipice. Much of the eurozone will go with them. (Britain couldn’t have gotten out at a more opportune time.)
I’ve long argued that the sovereign debt crisis was going to eventually lead to WWIII. Due to the coronavirus, though, it may be a more “low key” conflict that results in just a global reset.
The good news is that the U.S. has many positives going for it in a global reset scenario:
1) More than enough food
2) More than enough energy
3) A solid foundation of infrastructure to rebuild our industrial strength upon - roads, electrical grid, airports, etc
4) An armed citizenry making ground invasion a bad, bad idea (think fighting insurgents in Afghanistan is rough, try millions of well-trained military vets)
5) A free and capitalist system that promotes growth
6) Some of the lowest population density in the free world - land to build on
...and so forth and so on.
But things could still get a lot worse.
I reject your premises that a lesson is needed or given.
Uh. No.
It’s the fact that the patients are stacked up everywhere. In the halls, on the floor, everywhere. The health system is at it’s breaking point.
And doctors are now sick and infected, so they are losing the ability to care for people.
I would only add...
He was cool and prepared
and nobody cared
how crisply his suit pants were creased
But, but, but, China, Italy, Germany, Mars, Asteriods, Godzilla!!!!
Could be a dry run...
Sorry for the loss of those you know...what state is this that every ventilator is used? I have not seen nor heard anything about this in the media or NY, CA and WA state public health websites...this is not coming from social media, is it? Lot’s of talk about what MAY happen with respect to supplies, but not anything to that degree anywhere in the U.S. currently.
Source of these conditions? And Facebook, Twitter, etc., doesn’t count. Nor do emails that start with, “I just got off the phone with.....”, “You’re not going to believe what my ______ (fill in the blank) who’s a doctor in a major hospital in (fill in the blank with state)...
Not funny,bro. Me and the rest of the meskins took it because we thought it would be easy and almost flunked.
Way better.
We need to get something straight. Just what do you think the attributes of a so called Flubro is? How could simply saying the panic and fear mongering must stop possibly prolong this thing.
The last day I was out of the house was 3/8, two weeks ago to pick up decorative spheres for the coffee table at Pier 1 My wife and I have plenty of food, soap, tissues, paper towels, toilet paper and dog food for our Boxer. We even have a 30 oz bottle of hand sanitizer bought a few years ago that is almost full. By the way, I'm not a prepper but I have watched them on TV for the entertainment value.
Did anyone do daily statistics checking of the previous flu epidemics through the years while far more deaths were occurring? Did any previous epidemic of any disease cause the nation to shut down?
A google search shows that world wide, Pneumonia kills four million per year. The actual circumstances of death are pretty much the same. Lungs fill with fluid that cannot be coughed up and then death. Why suddenly, should we cause exponentially more deaths through fear and panic than the COVID-19 would cause normally? I'm tired of all the hype and posturing.
Leftist liberals were going ape today because President Trump said he wanted this COVID-19 to stop, as if the politically correct position is that it should go on forever.
Your financial losses not due to the virus, but the “cure”.
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