Posted on 03/17/2020 8:36:27 AM PDT by Mariner
Thread #18 is here:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3825150/posts?page=1
I’m going to take 30mg of CBD to try and calm down about this.
“Police power...
Gave false name, tested positive and disappeared.
Probably has mental prob IMO.
TX
Dairy Queens in San Saba, Llano and Burnet counties closing inside dining. Drive thru window open. Marble Falls DQ inside dining still open.
This might make Subways put in a window.
Not exactly legal either.
Dr. Sevrin
The Way to Eden
friend who voted around 9 am in Tallahassee noted there was very little in the way of preventative hygiene - no effort to clean pens, no wipes, no one wearing gloves.
Lookner retweet
https://twitter.com/ElizLanders/status/1239999834624421888
Covid-19 cases as of 3-16-20 compared with 2018 death rates for the Flu.
While Covid-19 has hardly competed its run, nor has the flu, yet for comparison with the flu we have the morality rate for the flu per state in 2017-2018 and total deaths, which I have provided along side the latest Covid counts (3-16-20 ) to the table below. Additional stats on the 2019-2020 Flu season are provided below the the table.
During the 2017-2018 season, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia and influenza (P&I) was at or above the epidemic threshold for 16 consecutive weeks. Nationally, mortality attributed to P&I exceeded 10.0% for four consecutive weeks, peaking at 10.8% during the week ending January 20, 2018, (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2017-2018.htm) with older Americans dying at a rate of 169 Americans a day, or seven people per hour. (https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2018/older-flu-deaths-rising.html
And according to a later report by the CDC, for 2017-2018 season 80,000 people died of the flu in U.S, the highest death toll in 40 years. (https://www.usnews.com/news/health-care-news/articles/2018-09-27/cdc-80-000-people-died-of-flu-complications-last-season-in-us)
Meanwhile, for Covid, the NYT (3-13) sounded this alarm: Between 160 million and 214 million people in the U.S. could be infected over the course of the epidemic, according to one projection. That could last months or even over a year, with infections concentrated in shorter periods, staggered across time in different communities, experts said. As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die. (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/us/coronavirus-deaths-estimate.html)
Below is a list of states per currently reported COVID-19 infections (by NPR, as of 3-16-20) in comparison with population size (note that variations in reported cases are partly be due to how comprehensive testing can and has been done). Use an online calculator here, (see second row under Percentage Calculator in Common Phrases, and remove commas in population figure) for cases as a percent of population.
In any case, I pray that this crisis, both real and inflated, works to bring souls to realize the need for help from above, for repentance and mercy from God through faith in the risen Lord Jesus.
State |
Population |
COVID-19 cases |
Percent of infections by capita |
Deaths from COVID-19 (as of 3-12-20) |
Deaths from Flu in 2017-2018 (last available data from CDC) Over 80k total. Deaths were at or above epidemic threshold for 16 consecutive weeks |
Washington (19 tied to one nursing home ) |
7,614,893 |
904 |
|
48 |
930 |
New York |
19,453,561 |
967 |
|
10 |
4,749 |
California |
39,512,223 |
557 |
|
7 |
6,917 |
Massachusetts |
6,949,503 |
197 |
|
|
1,441 |
Colorado |
5,758,736 |
160 |
|
1 |
568 |
Georgia |
10,617,423 |
121 |
|
1 |
1,530 |
Florida |
21,477,737 |
155 |
|
5 |
3.091 |
Illinois |
12,671,821 |
105 |
|
|
2,564 |
New Jersey |
8,882,190 |
178 |
|
2 |
1,465 |
Texas |
28,995,881 |
85 |
|
|
3,516 |
Oregon |
4,217,737 |
39 |
|
|
530 |
Pennsylvania |
12,801,989 |
77 |
|
|
2,887 |
Iowa |
3,155,070 |
23 |
|
|
697 |
Louisiana |
4,648,794 |
136 |
|
3 |
824 |
Maryland |
6,045,680 |
41 |
|
|
973 |
North Carolina |
10,488,084 |
38 |
|
|
2,064 |
District of Columbia |
705,749 |
22 |
|
|
N/A |
Indiana |
6,732,219 |
25 |
|
|
1,118 |
Nebraska |
1,934,408 |
18 |
|
|
394 |
South Carolina |
5,148,714 |
33 |
|
1 |
882 |
Wisconsin |
5,822,434 |
47 |
|
|
1,075 |
Arizona |
7,278,717 |
18 |
|
|
1,116 |
Virginia |
8,535,519 |
49 |
|
1 |
1.283 |
Kentucky |
4,467,673 |
21 |
|
|
969 |
South Dakota |
884,659 |
10 |
|
1 |
245 |
Nevada |
3,080,156 |
45 |
|
1 |
527 |
Tennessee |
6,833,174 |
52 |
|
|
1,646 |
Minnesota |
5,639,632 |
54 |
|
|
698 |
New Hampshire |
1,359,711 |
17 |
|
|
265 |
Rhode Island |
1,059,361 |
21 |
|
|
192 |
New Mexico |
2,096,829 |
17 |
|
|
365 |
Ohio |
11,689,100 |
50 |
|
|
2,395 |
Connecticut |
3,565,287 |
30 |
|
|
757 |
Utah |
3,205,958 |
39 |
|
|
353 |
Hawaii |
1,415,872 |
7 |
|
|
542 |
Michigan |
9,986,857 |
53 |
|
|
1,869 |
Oklahoma |
3,956,971 |
10 |
|
|
809 |
Vermont |
623,989 |
12 |
|
|
87 |
Arkansas |
3,017,825 |
22 |
|
|
670 |
Delaware |
973,764 |
8 |
|
|
167 |
Kansas |
2,913,314 |
11 |
|
|
630 |
Mississippi |
2,976,149 |
13 |
|
|
910 |
Missouri |
6,137,428 |
6 |
|
|
1,477 |
North Dakota |
762,062 |
1 |
|
|
152 |
Wyoming |
578,759 |
3 |
|
|
128 |
Alabama |
4,903,185 |
29 |
|
|
1,268 |
Idaho |
1,792,065 |
5 |
|
|
235 |
West Virginia |
1,787,147 |
0 |
|
|
539 |
Maine |
1,344,212 |
17 |
|
|
312 |
Montana |
1,068,778 |
7 |
|
|
152 |
Alaska |
731,545 |
1 |
|
|
68 |
Total (3-16) |
|
4,556 |
|
85 |
Over 80k. Above totals may be less. |
As for the 2019-2020 Flu season:
2019-2020 Season |
|
---|---|
Overall |
61.6 |
0-4 years |
88.9 |
5-17 years |
22.6 |
18-49 years |
32.8 |
50-64 years |
80.8 |
65+ years |
159.4 |
Among 2,867 hospitalized adults with information on underlying medical conditions, 92.3% had at least one reported underlying medical condition, the most commonly reported were cardiovascular disease, metabolic disorder, obesity, and chronic lung disease. Among 472 hospitalized children with information on underlying medical conditions, 48.3% had at least one underlying medical condition; the most commonly reported was asthma. Among 477 hospitalized women of childbearing age (15-44 years) with information on pregnancy status, 27.5% were pregnant. (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm#ILIActivityMap)(Retrieved 3-17-20)
Outpatient Illness: ILINet Visits to health care providers for influenza-like illness (ILI) decreased from 5.5% last week to 5.3% this week. All regions remain above their baselines.
Hospitalizations: The overall cumulative hospitalization rate for the season increased to 61.6 per 100,000.
P&I Mortality: The percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia and influenza is 7.1%, below the epidemic threshold of 7.3%.
Pediatric Deaths: 8 [more] influenza-associated pediatric deaths occurring during the 2019-2020 season were reported this week. The total for the season is 144. - https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm (Retrieved 3-17-20)
You’re free to ask that to the dozen armed guys at the city limit sign. You won’t like their answer.
Fine—hire a lawyer to argue with any armed guards you see at the checkpoint.
https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/state-quarantine-and-isolation-statutes.aspx
Quarantine laws have been on the books, in every state, for hundreds of years.
We just haven’t had to use them in several generations.
https://www.scripps.edu/newsandviews/e_20060213/bleach.html
“Bleach can expire. After a shelf life of six months, bleach starts to degrade. Even in its original bottle, bleach becomes 20 percent less effective as each year goes by.”
As long as there is a drop in the jug, I’m using it. Better than nothing.
I have opened old but sealed bottles and it was basically just salt water.
I want to look up hydrogen peroxide also.
Per your argument elimination of the armed guards by means of a .308 would also be acceptable. That would also happen, especially if we are to tolerate unlawful behavior.
I can only conclude that you advocate for anarchy.
You know what ticks me off? The fact that the folks who were around here 4-6 weeks ago screaming that it was just the flu are the same ones holler if about the need for draconian measures. If the borders had been shut, and testing and contract tracing available, we wouldnt be behind the curve. We warned folks the CDC was dropping the ball. Im glad the President and VP solved the problem, but its here now and it is going to take severe measures to get it under control. And yes, I lay some of that blame squarely in the shoulders of the IJTFBs.
“CDCs early guidance to hospitals and health care workers was a total disaster...If it is a new disease you _must_ assume it is aerosol without overwhelming evidence to the contrary.”
Of course. And did CDC do? They opened up the playbook and followed the plan. Except it didn’t occur to them that this virus was NOT SARS - they should have had an English Major in their ranks, as he would have told them that ‘novel’ means NEW in this context, not something Tom Clancey writes.
Glad none of my kids ever became doctors - given this bunch calling the shots.
Quarantine laws, implemented by a legal authority are valid. A bunch of guys from the local pool are hardly a legal authority.
There _will_ be military checkpoints.
Nobody _likes_ it, but quarantines are as American as apple pie.
“Okay. But here in Washington state we were testing 1000 per day with about 100 positive.
For the last couple days we have been testing 2500 per day with about 100 positive.
To me that indicates that percentage of positive cases is now falling. As of yesterday we had 904 positive and 11,582 negative.”
I’ve found these numbers fascinating over the last couple days. The increased testing numbers surely reflects the increased availability of testing. What strikes me most is the number of negative tests (92%). Not to minimize the extent of the COVID spread or the seriousness of the disease in some patients, but most of what people have is not COVID but colds/flu/other seasonal viruses. That I find somewhat reassuring.
What ‘local pool’ are you talking about?
Which order, specifically, do you think is illegal?
You would be shocked to find out just how much power your state health officials really have.
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