Posted on 03/11/2020 7:16:20 AM PDT by DannyTN
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State health officials joined Chu in asking the CDC and Food and Drug Administration to waive privacy rules and allow clinical tests in a research lab, citing the threat of significant loss of life. The CDC and FDA said no. "We felt like we were sitting, waiting for the pandemic to emerge," Chu told the Times. "We could help. We couldn't do anything."
They held off for a couple of weeks, but on Feb. 25, Chu and her colleagues "began performing coronavirus tests, without government approval," the Times reports. They found a positive case pretty quickly, and after discussing the ethics, they told state health officials, who confirmed the next day that a teenager who hadn't traveled abroad had COVID-19 — and the virus had likely been spreading undetected throughout the Seattle area for weeks. Later that day, the CDC and FDA told Chu and her colleagues to stop testing, then partially relented, and the lab found several more cases. On Monday night, they were ordered to stop testing again. ...
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I think because there are so many unknowns and the risk for exponential growth, which in the end has the potential to dwarf inf A, B, C++. I think the biggest thing is the unkowns. How contagios, how intense the symptoms for us in US, will it mutate into something worse, because its new are our denenses less capable of fighting it.
Does it leave chronic lasting damage to organs?
Can you build immunity?
If reinfected, is it worse than first infection?
DOW is STILL over valued after this decline comparing to average Price/Earnings since 1980.
The record breaking oil price drop is as much of a factor in Dow’s decline than anything else.
As for covid-19, it is freaking every one out because it is a brand new virus, no one has immunity anti-bodies floating in their blood for it, so it is spreading fast like a bad rumor. Then I look at the death rate of healthy people under age 60, and it is no worse than bird flu, swine flu, or any other bad flu. Only people who really needs to be extra cautious are old people over age 65 with some existing health issues.
And looking at southern hemisphere where there is summer going on right now, the infection/death rates are much lower than northern hemisphere. That leads to obvious conclusion that warmer weather discourages the virus.
Why on earth would the CDC tell them to STOP testing?
Fire whoever made that call.
I am 79, soon to be 80, but my lungs are in great shape from regular aerobic exercise. So I was not scared to take in a cruise 12 days ago, and no symptoms until now, 2 more days and it will be 14 days and chances of coming down with covid-19 become very small.
As for lasting effects on lungs, with only a couple of months history, it would be foolish to reach any conclusions. But I can posit that smoking or 2nd hand smoke will cause heckuva lot more long lasting damage to lungs than covid-19 is likely to do. We should quarantine non-smokers from smoking households!
Again, old people with health issues tend to have weakened immune systems and will suffer the most adverse effects due to any viral infection. anti-biotics generally do not work against viral infections. So your best defense is your own immune system against any disease, especially viral attacks.
Well, I’m glad to hear you got away for a bit, hopefully had a good time and are so far in the clear.
Hopefully it will be a wonderful spring after all this stuff blows over.
Yes griffin, we all should get away from routine life for a few days every so often. I really don’t feel like my going on a cruise was a huge risk since I look at 1200+ cruises every month, 2400+ in past 2 months, and only 3 ships are in the news, and only 2 passengers infected on the very large ship Grand Princess. We should not crawl into a shell and stop enjoying what we enjoy doing because there is small chance of adverse result.
I am willing to bet far more people in US will die in 2020 from car accidents than corona virus. And cancer & heart attacks will kill far more as well in 2020. Yet people continue to become obese, avoid exercise, smoke, and so on.
You mean the culture of HIPPA laws? I agree in this instance, but we need to fix the laws to allow it, not expect our government to ignore or work around laws whenever they think it is necessary.
Because there are too many of them, and you can’t contain it, so it’s just easier to live with the consequences.
We can’t just live with COVID, because the serious-treatment cases are too numerous for our health care system. We could probably live with the death rate.
Once we have a vaccine, we won’t track it anymore, we will count on the vaccine to limit the spread, so that the number of cases remains below our capacity.
Really, everything now is about limiting infections to stay below the capacity of our health system. China handled that in part by being able to build a couple of huge temporary hospitals, and by simply not treating a large number of people and accepting the death rate.
“Other than this covid-19 is more contagious than everyday Flu...”
But really that is one of the key issues. There are predictions of huge percentages of the population being infected, like 60-70%. If (and that is a huge if) predictions anywhere near that turn out to be true, well that will amount to a much bigger problem than the seasonal flu (because the hospitals would be truly overwhelmed). So to my mind what we have is a debate between those who think those predictions are crazy (or politically motivated) and those who don’t. I don’t think most of the people taking a position either way have the slightest factual basis - I think they are just guessing. We should know which it is within a couple months, I would think.
LOL.
Tits on a boar hog are critical when selecting breeding stock.
Not enough tits means the offspring won’t be able to feed their babies.
I learned that in one of Bloomberg’s Farming is Easy courses.
20 page textbook!
Did Chu try to contact the media. Somebody like Tucker could have covered this in a timely manner. Did Chu try to go above the CDC and the Food and Drug Administration? Did he try contacting the White House for example?
He doesn't say that he did, which would unfortunately make him part of the problem.
Grandmother is 1-0 against virulent new diseases, but that victory was 100 years ago...
No, not HIPPA laws, but the centralized control that says nobody can test but the CDC. And telling people not to test.
HIPPA laws are fine. I think here in TN they weren’t even going to say what counties cases were in, but they got push back on it and relented a few hours later.
How about we fire squad whoever made that call?
according to the more in-depth article in this thread - http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3823498/posts - a bit in we see that
C.D.C. officials repeatedly said it would not be possible. “If you want to use your test as a screening tool, you would have to check with F.D.A.,” Gayle Langley, an officer at the C.D.C.’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Disease, wrote back in an email on Feb. 16. But the F.D.A. could not offer the approval because the lab was not certified as a clinical laboratory under regulations established by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, a process that could take months.
So the CDC said they had to get permission from the FDA, and the FDA couldn’t give it to them because of CMMS rules, they were not certified as the right kind of laboratory.
In other words, Medicaid/single payer health care system bureaucracy. This is what happens when costs and codes take over. This needs to be hung on the necks of anyone who advocates increased medicaid or single payer - every time, for the next two generations.
See my other post right above.
CharlesWayneCT is probably closer than you think. The CMMS regulations are at the heart of the Obamacare fiasco, which significantly rewrote large swaths through medicaid, hippa, erisa portions of existing law, making it nearly impossible to repeal. It is so convoluted that if you should have a complaint or problem it might take three or more months just to figure out who is responsible for your exact situation, and you are more likely to get told to go to the next agency by each one in turn than figure it out.
See my other post right above.
CharlesWayneCT is probably closer than you think. The CMMS regulations are at the heart of the Obamacare fiasco, which significantly rewrote large swaths through medicaid, hippa, erisa portions of existing law, making it nearly impossible to repeal. It is so convoluted that if you should have a complaint or problem it might take three or more months just to figure out who is responsible for your exact situation, and you are more likely to get told to go to the next agency by each one in turn than figure it out.
The good news, is it sounds like the Presidential task force is cutting through some of that red tape.
But it also sounds like we are still running into pockets of bureaucratic quicksand.
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