Posted on 03/10/2020 5:22:41 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
Continuation of the thread.
Please use this thread to consolidate the discussion and stories.
A local example of chicom power is Iowa State University in Ames. The university and the town is beholden to chicom money. The chicom undergrads are mostly the spoiled rich princelings of communist party officials. You can spot them driving their exotic sports cars and flashing their wallets full of $100 bills. They’re mostly spoiled, stupid, entitled, and lazy. They are the ones paying full price tuition.
The smart ones are the grad students. In a lot of the STEM classes they do a lot of the work. They teach labs, grade papers, tutor, etc. While there are certainly chicom spies in the mix, I think many are probably happy to be out of China to escape the persecution. For instance, I’ve seen evangelical Chinese Christian churches open up in Ames that weren’t there 10 years ago.
If anyone is going to sell out to the chicoms, I would bet on primarily American professors, administrators, politicians, business leaders, etc.
SK has done yeoman’s work in this thing.
There will be academic papers written for a generation about this.
Especially if they’ve ‘nipped it in the bud’.
Since the days of Tom Clancy novels, US policy towards the use of biological warfare, has been to respond with nukes.
Just sayin'...
Since there is not much testing available, I think the way this will play out is people will learn that the testing is not available.
Then they will learn that a lot of hospital workers (of all types) are getting sick. (That may be by word of mouth in the community as well as some local media coverage.)
Then they will learn the hospital is a bad place to be unless you have absolutely no choice.
So, folks will stay at home until they acute symptoms and are highly infectious.
That will increase the fatality rate above what it should be for the disease (with proper medical care).
But, with lack of testing this will be difficult to track.
So, we may be sitting here in a month trying to figure out _what_ is going on, since we won’t have reliable data, just anecdotes.
Oh, make no mistake. It’s the American profs doing most of the selling as they are most of the instructors at this point. The Harvard chem department chair was American...but totally sold out to the chicoms. Hope dude does jail but not optimistic there.
How that might change going forward is another matter.
But every major academic institution is beholden to them.
And nobody who works there will be allowed to say ANYthing negative about them. Ever. And it stands to reason that IF the paymaster tells you to put out a good word or two...you’ll do that too.
Take the king’s money, do the king’s bidding.
No different than a prof at TAMU speaking out against one of their big donors.
So you're saying drinks are on you?
Make mine Dos Equis...
I second Agnes’ point.
It doesn’t have to be direct Chinese money to American researchers, just the fact that Chinese students pay the full freight tuition is enough for American schools to be very deferential to the ChiComs.
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Put me down for “less than the flu.”
Italy flights are banned by who, from going where?
The first world is doing *what* now but us? That's grammatically unclear...
They key is how many of them are occupied at any time.
The capacity of the ICU over time is pretty straight forward. It’s the number of beds, the average stay, and length of time to turn over the bed (cleaning, stocking, and staffing.)
A normal stay in ICU is something like 3-5 full days. The CV ICU stay is about twice that. And it includes breathing machines and other life assisting machines.
The hospital could turn those rooms over in an hour (pretty remarkable time to sterilize the room.). In any decent sized city, with 36 ICU rooms per hospital, the hospital would be gummed up in a week.
If you think about it, there are usually no empty rooms. So from day 1, the average stay is going to start doubling because for every 3-5 day stay that leaves is going to be replaced by a 10-14 day stay. In less than a week you would have NO turnover for 5-7 days.
And at the same time the regular patients stack up. And at the same time the CV patients are showing up.
And you overflow to another hospital...for about two days. Then they are in the same position.
Where are you going to put ALL the new ICU patients?
That’s how easily this can happen. It really doesn’t take much.
Nah. I expect to see plenty of testing for health care workers. First responders too. Very surprised and disappointed if there isn’t.
Others, meh. No sense in testing everyone with the sniffles.
Of course those with high risk-factors get tested.
I just don’t think this is deliberate.
I am able to be convinced otherwise, so not set in concrete.
But I’ve known people who did dumbass ‘you did what?!, why?!!!’ things for no better reason than ‘just wanted to see if it could be done’. Fortunately we have a lot of UV lights in labs and did even then.
If you question the ‘just because we can, lets!’ attitude you’re decried as a luddite. ‘someone else will do it and publish it first!’.
And then it walked out of their lab on a shoelace. Or animal sold at market...or...
My own personal theory is that someone was doing research that SHOULD have been in a level 4 lab but those were all signed up for months in advance. Since politicos in China are probably the ones directing the lab on ‘political’ endpoints the hapless researcher tried to use a level 3 lab and ‘just be really careful’. And here we are.
I’m on record that putting human genes in the big apes is a really bad idea. Didn’t they watch that movie!?
This is going to screw China as far as being "low cost factory" for the world.
But it's going to screw up their sending gazillions of students to the US, no matter *how* much cash they wave at Universities: if the pandemic really gets cooking among the Chinese students.
Yep. All while threatening to hold back deliveries of our precious meds/supplies.
I will speak for all of us here and say we all hope you’re right.
We really do.
I have better things to do this spring/summer than play Resident Evil.
Got a feeling it ain’t over till the fat boy sings.
Operations fill the ICUs.
Delay the operations, when possible, and many beds will be freed.
Yeah, it requires discretion.
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Maybe Trump’s getting his bad advice from Limbaugh? He shut down travel to China (good) in January but has since turned into a flu bro.
The justification for a restriction on international travel is the same as for building a wall with Mexico— to keep Americans safe. So why no restrictions on flights from Italy?
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