Posted on 03/02/2020 12:52:39 PM PST by Vermont Lt
Continuation of Live Thread from No 7.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3820821/posts
Ted Land
@TedLandK5
UPDATE from Lake Washington Institute of Technology on the 22 students & faculty who visited Kirkland nursing home where multiple ppl contracted #coronavirus. They are now being told, 3 days after coronavirus cases were confirmed at facility, that they should self-quarantine.
If they are going to get sick it will be by the end of the weekend.
I know we're discussing a very serious topic here, but, being of mostly German descent, and hearing "Gesundheit" many a time with family, that really made me laugh! I to this day still say "Gesundheit!" when someone near me coughs or sneezes.
imported lol
as China breaks 90K confirmed
It made me laugh too, clever name
Video at link
Max HowrouteWhite small square
@howroute
Russia has stepped up #coronavirus preventive measures. This is Sheremetyevo International Airport in Khimki, Russia. The arriving passengers are being inspected by medical personnel in hazmat suits.
https://twitter.com/howroute/status/1234694800768675842
Und sicherheit....
That CDC definition is a conservative definition of exposure.
It may look good in a medical textbook, but could be a big fail in the real world.
I am beginning to see the problem with CDC...
Video at link, interview with doctor or coroner
QuickTake by Bloomberg
@QuickTake
“It attaches to [the lung] like paste.”
Autopsies performed on deceased #coronavirus patients have revealed insights into the disease
Twitter asks all employees to work from home due to coronavirus
ich werde mein Bestes geben
(Ok, I’ll admit I had to go to a translator to come up with that. Am 45+ years rusty from almost proficiency’ing a minor in German when I went to college.)
I did a little post on a separate thread but I’ll bring it over here because it has the links to what you’re referring to. Note also, there are primates in the same area. And that 12 residents of Kunming were some of the first confirmed cases of Covid and a thousand cases came from the area.
Repost of http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3820124/posts?page=53#53
what if it wasn’t Wuhan out, but Wuhan in? Brought into Wuhan, from an infected cave tourist or even an infected vendor of flowers ?
“Vegetable growers from Sichuan and Guizhou provinces are predominant in Kunming’s vegetable markets, but the local people are quite happy that it should be so. As a vegetable or fruit vendor from Sichuan can rapidly make enough money to buy a house and settle in Kunming...— fresh vegetables are available all year round in Kunming. The same also applies to fresh flowers. Flower growers in Kunming most like the autumn and winter seasons, as this is when no flowers grow in the majority of other cities in China. They consequently wholesale large quantities of flowers to big cities in other provinces...
http://www.chinadiscover.net/yunnan-tourism/yunnan-kunming.htm
“the team drew samples from people who lived near the bat caves and found that three percent of them had developed antibodies to the viruses - proving that the strains can and have infected humans in the past.”
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/cave-full-of-bats-in-china-identified-as-source-of-virus-almost-identical-to-the-one-killing-hundreds-today
At time of writing (Tue. Jan 28 19:40) ...In Yunnan there are 44 cases confirmed, from which 12 in Kunming. Most are people who came from Wuhan during January
http://wondersofyunnan.com/blog/posts/coronavirus
With 954 coronavirus patients, the province of Zhejiang is the hardest hit region outside Hubei
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3049298/coronavirus-zhejiang-adopts-draconian-quarantine-measures-fight
http://wondersofyunnan.com/destinations/yunnan/popular-attractions/jiuxiang-caves-scenic-area-kunming
Caverns & Caves in Hangzhou
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attractions-g298559-Activities-c57-t54-Hangzhou_Zhejiang.html
primates:
http://wondersofyunnan.com/tours/2-days-yunnan-snub-nosed-monkey-tour
And that increased travel also coincided with increased capability to modify viruses. Just a coincidence, no doubt. Or perhaps an unfortunate positive feedback.
Seems to me part of the bat, or pangolin, or whatever, corona virus RNA(?) sequence was intentionally spliced into a human corona virus during research. It has nothing to do with natural mutation. I’m sure there are legitimate reasons for doing this, but no matter: it slips out of the lab somehow.
But that’s probably something which can’t be claimed definitively, so the scientists trying to figure out what happened hedge their disclosures - they don’t want to implicate any particular research team with something they’re not sure of, they just say “it happened through mutation”.
I've seen several studies that say Lower Respiratory Tract viral infections tend to to be associated with aerosolization, and other coronaviruses like SARS and MERS have been shown to be aerosolized, including detecting the virus RNA in sampled air and cases that cannot be explained by other methods. It shouldn't be a huge leap to assume COVID-19 might be transferred via aerosol until proven otherwise. That doesn't mean that aerosol is the predominant transmission method, or even a common one. The CDC is recommending Airborne Infection Isolation Room (AIIR) protocols and Airborne Precautions for COVID-19. Considering the history of coronaviruses, I'm not sure why there is so much push back against the possibility that this little bug can be airborne. I wouldn't treat it as fact, but would assume for now. Also agree that some level of containment is still possible, and needs to be a primary goal. If for no other reason than to slow the rate of infection and keep outbreaks manageable. We aren't going to be like Singapore, but that doesn't mean complete failure.
You make a good point.
“Fomites” is a mighty off-putting word though. Need better.
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