Posted on 02/29/2020 5:48:03 PM PST by bitt
Haskell County, Kansas, lies in the southwest corner of the state, near Oklahoma and Colorado. In 1918 sod houses were still common, barely distinguishable from the treeless, dry prairie they were dug out of. It had been cattle country—a now bankrupt ranch once handled 30,000 head—but Haskell farmers also raised hogs, which is one possible clue to the origin of the crisis that would terrorize the world that year. Another clue is that the county sits on a major migratory flyway for 17 bird species, including sand hill cranes and mallards. Scientists today understand that bird influenza viruses, like human influenza viruses, can also infect hogs, and when a bird virus and a human virus infect the same pig cell, their different genes can be shuffled and exchanged like playing cards, resulting in a new, perhaps especially lethal, virus.
We cannot say for certain that that happened in 1918 in Haskell County, but we do know that an influenza outbreak struck in January, an outbreak so severe that, although influenza was not then a “reportable” disease, a local physician named Loring Miner—a large and imposing man, gruff, a player in local politics, who became a doctor before the acceptance of the germ theory of disease but whose intellectual curiosity had kept him abreast of scientific developments—went to the trouble of alerting the U.S. Public Health Service. The report itself no longer exists, but it stands as the first recorded notice anywhere in the world of unusual influenza activity that year. The local newspaper, the Santa Fe Monitor, confirms that something odd was happening around that time: “Mrs. Eva Van Alstine is sick with pneumonia...Ralph Lindeman is still quite sick...Homer Moody has been reported quite sick...Pete Hesser’s three children have pneumonia
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And I repeat, do you think a test just created for a brand new virus is likely to be more reliable than a flu test? Flu tests having anywhere from 50% to 90% accuracy?
The tests are for different viruses, obviously, but the methodology for creating the tests and using them is the same.
He needs to explain what happened to the man in Israel who was in a Japanese military hospital..went through multiple tests before released just like his sister....and now has it again.
And he isn’t the only case.
I suspect that Dr won’t address it and would prefer to give more of a stock answer carefully couched so that it will be true even if it turns out what he is saying is not really true...the part that says “I see no reason why”
Perhaps Israel will reveal more details.
Your 50% is not right. I gave you the CDC information. Did I miss the 50%???
But no, I have no reason to believe the test would be better than 95% specificity required as mentioned in my link.
But I would expect a molecular assay done in a military hospital to be more accurate.
But, as the article I gave you a link to explained, when used in the real world, taking cultures from human beings, being administered by all kinds of healthcare workers, figuring in other variables of real world testing the accuracy rates drop to between 50% and 90%.
The big disparity between those two percentages being due to the high number of variables when applied in the real world.
But I would expect a molecular assay done in a military hospital to be more accurate.
Sure. Something that is expensive and takes too much time and has zero to do with CDC kits. Something they have not likely done much of, if any, in China.
Here is my bottom line...the testing done when you present yourself and they want a quick diagnosis will be FAR DIFFERENT than when you have been diagnosed with it, sick, quarantined in a military hospital after being taken off a Virus Ship, treated, and finally had a bunch of tests to determine your clear and can be released from a military quarantine.
Not sure why people don’t understand that...so the question is after all of those tests...why does the patient have it again.
Do you really believe they are relying on the CDC kit in a military hospital in Japan after someone has been sick with the virus in order to determine if they can be released from quarantine???
Surely you know that Japan is better than that..maybe you can believe that about China..but these people were in Japan. And not only Japan..but Israel tested those people
So you think they relied on the CDC test?
Here is another interview. It defies belief that Japan was only using a rapid response Flu test from the CDC
and it’s her brother that has it again
My point was that no reliable data can be assumed from the tiny percentage of tests performed in a military hospital in Japan.
well I got to say that the ‘expectations’ of the public ‘today’ for how, when, where and how much are off the scale, to say the least, on everything then they would have been years ago.... Especially when they have no or very little personal hands on knowledge of how things work in any given field. But it seems especially so in the medical field today or anytime a disaster or emergency strikes.
There is no reliable data from anywhere at this point.
But we do know a man was recovered as per Japan and Israel...Israel let him in..and now he has it again.
This is not in dispute.
So you can choose to use the word RELAPSE but IF you use that word then you have to explain how you can go through all of these testing hoops in two countries and be fine...but then suddenly you aren’t AGAIN...
This means...can you shed during all of that time?
It spread like the flu, because it was the flu, duh.
Might have gotten sick again from another source. Mutations are sometimes involved.
Assuming a bit here. If you get it and shed detectable virus and then you get care and it becomes undetectable there and symptoms go away there maybe other areas of the body that act as a reservoir and which is undetectable by the test. Treatment ends and the virus replicates again to detection levels.
And what are the reservoir? I am sure Fauci knows.
Interesting.
My father survived the “Spanish Flu” at age 5yr old.
He never had flu ever again.
He died at nearly 94yr old.
#23 I think it is the garlic and onion breath that keeps other people away from you and so you do not get sick from their germs!
I read a post on FR which said the common treatment for the flu at that time was aspirin. Large doses, which thinned the blood. the flu caused internal bleeding in the lungs. The patients suffocated, A contributing causation?
Interesting. Thanks for sharing. Someone here mention the flu of 1918 was also spread by mail... I did a search and couldn’t find anything. Have you heard that one?
You don’t care what this US doctor says but take a Chinese doctors word as gospel?
Do you also go to China for your health care?
It is more likely the patient had never fully recovered and simply relapsed.
Interesting... Thanks for sharing.
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