Posted on 02/20/2020 9:13:10 PM PST by Pelham
Thomas Fleming talked about his book, A Disease in the Public Mind: A New Understanding of Why We Fought the Civil War, in which he portrays the Civil War as a tragedy that American leaders foresaw and struggled to prevent.
He spoke about how public opinion and propaganda helped spark the war, and the longstanding tensions between the North and South. He also discussed events that heightened fear of a slave rebellion in the southern states. The Pritzker Military Library hosted this event.
The guards at Andersonville weren’t getting fat.
The problem with Andersonville wasn’t to much discipline and cruel treatment by the guards. It was the opposite. Wirz let the inmates run the asylum. The guards had 1 rule. If a POW crossed the dead line they got shot. Otherwise the internal activities of the camp was left up to the inmates. It got ugly. Gangs formed and viscous fighting was a daily occurrence.
A new understanding on The Civil War: The South still lost.
They weren’t getting shot either.
So I hope as correct? He would have been found not guilty.
>>Hieronymus wrote: “The series seems very balanced. Patrick Cleburne is portrayed much more favourably than Sherman, but Sherman actually had some good points.”
I have been searching for almost 20 years, and have not found a single good point that can be attributed to Sherman. What good points do you attribute to him?
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>>Hieronymus wrote: “Generally, all politicians should be hanged.”
No. Only the war criminals, like Lincoln and Obama.
Mr. Kalamata
>>Leaning Right wrote: “From the North’s point of view, the entire Confederate leadership had committed the capital crime of treason. Yet not a single one of them was executed.”
Perhaps the North didn’t want to take the chance that Lincoln’s lies would be exposed during a trial. They were hell-bent on sanitizing Lincoln’s war crimes, as are left-wing “historians” are doing even today.
Mr. Kalamata
Georgia fed its entire population plus much of the Confederacy plus Sherman's army on its campaign to Savannah. Food was not in short supply except in the Andersonville stockade.
Glad if you would acknowledge that the prisoner exchange, initiated by Wirz in July 1864 (not under any orders, and caught hell for it) sending 5 prisoners with a prisoner signed petition to the Union to reinstate the prisoner exchange (and empty Camp Sumter), was absolutely refused by Union (specifically Sec. Stanton- think of that!)
Glad if you would acknowledge that prisoner exchanges were halted because the Confederacy refused to include Black Union POWs in the program.
After the fall of Atlanta, all Sumter prisoners who were well enough to be moved were sent to Millen, GA, and Florence, SC, as a good will gesture and humanity.
Only those well enough to be moved. And all were later returned to Andersonville.
Lincoln issued General Orders 252 suspendeding the Dix–Hill Cartel of prisoner exchange until the Confederate forces agreed to treat black prisoners the same as white prisoners- a particularly cruel and highly manipulative Political calculation by the oft used name of Peace
Yes, nothing more nefarious than insisting that your soldiers be treated as soldiers regardless of race. </sarcasm>
(see:Lincoln Brigade- the Communists in the Spanish Civil War- always fascinated at the abuse of Lincolns name by commies- even today).
There was also a George Washington Battalion. I guess he was a commie too?
Do you ever wish you had gotten that rabies shot?
Ding ding! We have a winner. Very hard times. For these “rewriters” there is nothing that will get in the way of their virtue signalling and “tut-tutting”. Sure is tiresome, given the 100s of thousands of descendants who fought in WWI and WWII for our United States (and not for FDR and Wilson’s League of Nations/UN horse hockey).
I don’t think that he was as bad against civilians as I thought he was—a commander has only so much control over his troops—and with that in mindful I think he was a good general in the sense that he just wanted to get the war over with as quickly and painlessly as possible.
My heart is still with the South, but that does not mean that I cannot respect that Sherman was an effective general who did the job assigned to him, and respect that he was a very torn and tortured human being.
I used to not be able to give him that much credit.
Whatever - they still had options. And they chose to continue a fruitless exercise that cost them many needless additional deaths.
>>Bull Snipe wrote: “You can take consolation in the fact that some of the Confederate war criminals did hang.”
There were no Confederate war criminals. Therefore, any Confederate hangings constituted additional Union war crimes.
Mr. Kalamata
“There were no Confederate war criminals.”
There were instances in the war here Confederate soldiers committed, what would be considered by today’s standards, war crimes
>>Bull Snipe wrote: “There were instances in the war here Confederate soldiers committed, what would be considered by today’s standards, war crimes.”
I am more than interested. Do you have references?
Mr. Kalamata
Andersonville Prisoner of War camp in Georgia comes to mind.
As does the shooting of some black soldiers that had surrendered at Fort Pillow, in Tennessee, by Forrest’s men.
>>Bull Snipe wrote: “Andersonville Prisoner of War camp in Georgia comes to mind. As does the shooting of some black soldiers that had surrendered at Fort Pillow, in Tennessee, by Forrest’s men.”
Do you have references?
Mr. Kalamata
If you have never heard of Andesonville, than you have lead a very sheltered life. !2,000 deaths according to the ORs.
>>Bull Snipe wrote: “If you have never heard of Andesonville, than you have lead a very sheltered life. !2,000 deaths according to the ORs.”
I have several books on Andersonville. I asked you for your references.
Mr. Kalamata
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