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'Chaotic' cruise ship quarantine was 'a major failure, completely inadequate and a mistake' says disease expert who has now isolated himself after seeing conditions on board
UK Daily Mail ^ | February 19, 2020 | Staff

Posted on 02/19/2020 6:33:13 AM PST by C19fan

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To: C19fan


Wonder if they flew the "plague ship" flag.
21 posted on 02/19/2020 7:21:20 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: DCBryan1

Wasn’t the island of Molokai a quarantined colony for lepers even in last century?


22 posted on 02/19/2020 7:22:00 AM PST by masadaman
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To: silverleaf

This cruise ship will become a major study of what not to do when a serious infectious disease strikes passengers or crew members.

Even back in the middle ages, they knew how to do a proper quarantine:

The practice of quarantine, as we know it, began during the 14th century in an effort to protect coastal cities from plague epidemics. Ships arriving in Venice from infected ports were required to sit at anchor for 40 days before landing. This practice, called quarantine, was derived from the Italian words quaranta giorni which mean 40 days.


23 posted on 02/19/2020 7:22:50 AM PST by Grampa Dave (reThe DNC should just sell their top rat candidate via bidding on EBAY!)
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To: silverleaf

Not many cruise lines train or equip to become a level 4 biohazard quarantine zone

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All they had to do was follow the rules. Some people did, some people didn’t.


24 posted on 02/19/2020 7:35:54 AM PST by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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To: Red Badger
The HVAC system is essentially a tunnel connecting all the ship together.................

I did some casual googling. I couldn't find information on air recycling--how much of the ships air makes one pass through, versus how much might get recycled. I did find that a cruise ship has several dozen air handler units, which I presume includes all HVAC. I don't know how much commonality there is in the ducting, but even if they are separated for each handler, you'd probably have several dozen to a hundred rooms sharing ducting. Maybe more if the big common areas are ventilation hogs.

25 posted on 02/19/2020 7:36:37 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: DCBryan1

I would add Martha’s vineyard


26 posted on 02/19/2020 7:40:03 AM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deo et Vives)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

They should get individual room AC units like motels have...............


27 posted on 02/19/2020 7:40:35 AM PST by Red Badger (CWII is coming. It won't be nice like the last one....................)
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To: goodnesswins

The wife and I went on one cruise and decided we didn’t like it much.


28 posted on 02/19/2020 8:02:26 AM PST by caver
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To: Red Badger
They should get individual room AC units like motels have...............

Not so easy with interior rooms. Also, interior common areas, such as the kitchens. I'm not even thinking about the dining rooms or clubs, since they aren't used once quarantining starts. Also, there's reliability issues... imagine having to maintain thousands of individual, less robustly engineered HVAC units, room by room.

29 posted on 02/19/2020 8:05:24 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: C19fan

If it was my familia it would be 21 to 24 days. He was in a known high concentration enclosure.


30 posted on 02/19/2020 9:20:38 AM PST by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not a ppear that way.)
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To: caver
This sure can’t do any good for the cruise ship business.

You're right. Let's say a person takes a cruise on Symphony of the Seas - (owned by Royal Caribbean) a ship that holds over holds OVER 5,000 passengers... AND each person has to bet their lives that NOT ONE of the other 5,000 has been exposed to the virus...

I wouldn't bet my life on it. Then again multistory condos aren't much different than cruise ships...

31 posted on 02/19/2020 9:30:14 AM PST by GOPJ ( http://www.tinyurl.com/cvirusmap https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/usmap.htm)
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To: Moonman62

There was no actual separation between infected zone and noninfected zone according to the viral prevention expert who visited. It would be similar to having an infected relative in a room upstairs, and their room door was kept open.


32 posted on 02/19/2020 9:32:38 AM PST by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not a ppear that way.)
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To: GOPJ

Good point!


33 posted on 02/19/2020 11:26:58 AM PST by caver
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To: null and void

Never underestimate bureaucrats ability to bungle things...


34 posted on 02/19/2020 2:33:52 PM PST by Paul R. (The Lib / Socialist goal: Total control of nothing left wort h controlling.)
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To: Moonman62

You expect cruise ship staff to operate a level 4 biohazard protocol? With negative pressure rooms and full gear? You seem to have not read the Japanese Doctors report about the crew eating lunch in their PPE after delivering meals among infected passengers


35 posted on 02/19/2020 2:49:28 PM PST by silverleaf (Remember kids: You can vote your way into communism, but you have to shoot your way out!)
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