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To: thefactor

Plenty of instrument rated pilots crash because they aren’t proficient. They must fly instruments frequently in order to remain proficient.


7 posted on 01/30/2020 7:24:49 AM PST by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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To: Moonman62
It's a question or wording, IMHO, and writers should be more careful.

The pilot was LICENSED to fly by instruments, but he may not have been very PROFICIENT at it because his company has a policy against it. To say he wasn't ALLOWED to is ambiguous at best and implies he wasn't certified to fly by instruments.

14 posted on 01/30/2020 7:28:13 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Moonman62
Yes I read that when you said basically the same thing in post #1. Licensed means he is indeed eligible to fly by instruments only. Proficiency is another matter altogether. Just like I know many people who are licensed to drive a car, but their proficiency is questionable. 8>)

But that wasn't the claim made in the headline. They used was is often labeled as journalistic license, but is in reality, lying. 8>)

55 posted on 01/30/2020 8:03:16 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Moonman62
Plenty of instrument rated pilots crash because they aren’t proficient. They must fly instruments frequently in order to remain proficient.

Back when I used to fly, one needed a minimum number of instrument approaches and a minimum number of hours flying in true instrument conditions every six months or you had to get signed off by a certified instrument instructor which was good for another six months.

Here on the east coast, flying in and out of fog ridden Nantucket, I only made the required number of approaches and hours once. (The hours requirement was the killer because once you're on top of the cloud deck, the time no longer counts so the entire east coast can be under IFR, but usually one will only get to count the time during the take-off and landing parts of a flight.) Out in the LA area my impression is that true instrument conditions are rare.

ML/NJ

73 posted on 01/30/2020 8:30:45 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: Moonman62
Plenty of instrument rated pilots crash because they aren’t proficient. They must fly instruments frequently in order to remain proficient.

According to a couple of helo pilots in the military, every helo pilot craps their pants when they hit a cloud bank or fog. Helo flying is super visual. Its especially dangerous when suddenly flying into non-visibility. The transfer from visual flying to instruments takes a transition to read all the pertinent gauges and react accordingly. Again, I'm no expert, as I'm sure there are Freepers that are, I'm just summarizing what I was told.

87 posted on 01/30/2020 9:45:35 AM PST by Go Gordon (I gave my dog Grady a last name - Trump - because he loves tweets.)
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To: Moonman62

“They must fly instruments frequently in order to remain proficient.”

Absolutely right! When was the last time this pilot re-tested?


90 posted on 01/30/2020 10:27:59 AM PST by beelzepug (OCD and proud of it!)
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To: Moonman62

The article mentions Zobayan was an instrument flight instructor, which requires proficiency to hold that rating.


101 posted on 01/30/2020 4:44:45 PM PST by Ozark Tom
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To: Moonman62
They must fly instruments frequently in order to remain proficient.

BINGO!

IIRC, You need to have logged so many hours and approaches in the past 90 days before flying passengers.

(FYI, I have at least 100 hours of ACTUAL Helo IFR time in UH-1 E/L and CH-53D. You have to be current to be safe!)

An IFR helo pilot MUST have the backbone to tell a high-profile client, "No, we cannot make that flight to using Special VFR. It will take longer, but we're filing IFR and doing it right." (presuming the pilot has the Ratings and is current)

104 posted on 01/30/2020 8:03:38 PM PST by BwanaNdege ( Experience is the best teacher, but if you can accept it 2nd hand, the tuition is less!)
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