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1 posted on 01/26/2020 1:55:29 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
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The church was more of a cheerleader for their respective nations than they were a sane voice of calm.

People went to war with the idea that heaven was on their side.

Then they found themselves is a disaster that soilders on both sides realized was a complete farce that was doing little more than chewing up people in the name of monarchies and empires.


2 posted on 01/26/2020 1:59:40 PM PST by VanDeKoik
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The seeds go back to the French Revolution


3 posted on 01/26/2020 2:00:58 PM PST by 11th_VA
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WWI was the death of Europe.


4 posted on 01/26/2020 2:01:57 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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And to think it all took place due to an action the Clintons consider just an everyday occurrence.


5 posted on 01/26/2020 2:04:11 PM PST by immadashell (Save Innocent Lives - ban gun free zones)
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Woodrow Wilson was insane to ever allow the United States to become involved in World War 1.

The Germans, the British, and the French were on the verge of an armistice, which would have ended the conflict in a draw.

There never would’ve been a punitive Treaty of Versailles, which begat Hitler, Stalin, the Holocaust, and the death of Europe.

Woodrow Wilson forever bears this burden of shame, for sending U.S. troops to die in the sodden trenches of France.


6 posted on 01/26/2020 2:05:52 PM PST by BrexitBen
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It was a really good movie. I just saw it yesterday. Fantastic cinema that told a very narrow story without dealing directly with the big story.

I am a Christian, but I respectfully disagree with the Bishop on this as my take on WWI is different.

WWI is what happens when you have a government of the elites for the elites. Period. When governments are concerned about the health and welfare of their own people they do not go to war other than in the most dire circumstances. When the elites are worried about what is in their own personal interests or they put their pride in front of their people we end up in war. In fact, a Christian worldview and heart would demand that any leader think first of the welfare of those he/she leads.

There are times and reasons to go to war for just causes, but WWI did not come close to meeting that threshold with most involved never really understanding how/why they got there. It was a tragic war and a huge waste of young men.

Beautiful film that told a sober story. I sat there towards the end absorbing the futility of it all thinking of our own political class in DC just shaking my head. I served, but in hindsight I wonder what I served. In my heart it was the nation, my family, my (fellow) soldiers, and my community.

In my mind, I now see that it was Bush Sr., Clinton, and W and their interest were not mine or those of the average Joe/Jane.


7 posted on 01/26/2020 2:06:39 PM PST by volunbeer (Find the truth and accept it - anything else is delusional)
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WWI and WWII killed off the alpha male genes in Europe.


10 posted on 01/26/2020 2:10:08 PM PST by rbg81 (Truth is stranger than fiction)
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Didn’t analyze it that much. Less than Saving Private Ryan but it showed to an extent the fight in the trenches.
Didn’t walk out even thinking about it. Something was missing.

I don’t know if you can make a war movie without the smell(s). Dead horses, smell of sh*t and intestines,
overflowing latrines or burning excrement with kerosene, if any, rotting corpses, all the screams and smell of fear.


11 posted on 01/26/2020 2:10:56 PM PST by Karliner (Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28 Isa 17 "This is the end of the beginning" W Churchill)
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The loss of Christian civilization, yes . . . See T. S. Eliot's The Wasteland and Hollow Men, bur also Eliot's Ash Wednesday and Four Quartets.
17 posted on 01/26/2020 2:18:31 PM PST by MrChips ("To wisdom belongs the apprehension of eternal things." - St. Augustine)
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an orgy of violence broke out among baptised people

Oh, those historians. No doubt Trump was at fault, too.

19 posted on 01/26/2020 2:25:04 PM PST by aspasia
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Presumably, Bishop Barron knows that the First World War was divine punishment; the Blessed Mother told the Fatima children as much in 1917.

There's simply no practical explanation for Catholic countries to have been killing each other for four years.

21 posted on 01/26/2020 2:27:11 PM PST by Captain Walker
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Interesting perspective and posts. Thanks.


22 posted on 01/26/2020 2:29:16 PM PST by PGalt (Past Peak Civilization?)
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Bookmark


27 posted on 01/26/2020 2:38:16 PM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog.)
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The Great War put an end to the liberal civilization under construction for centuries by the various nations of Europe.

The War gave birth to the idealized War State, which gave real purpose to otherwise insignificant human lives, and permitted society’s true leaders to emerge from the masses, and lead the world to paradise. Lenin and Mussolini were heroes of the ‘20s for vast swathes of Western elites.

The first job of a War State is to insinuate itself into private life in such a way as to destroy the existing society and reform it into creatures of the state, conditioned and malleable, unable to even imagine what life would be like without the socially destructive operations of “social welfare”, “public education”, “social benefits” and so on.

A Restoration of that civilization is possible, one hopes, although historically such a reboot did not happen in China, India, or in Classical Greece and Rome.

Spengler opines that only Western man has a truly historical imagination, so perhaps we can forestall the all-consuming totalitarianism threatening us by identifying the War State lies which have put us where we are.


30 posted on 01/26/2020 2:56:51 PM PST by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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All so depressing to contemplate. Do they even teach World War I in American history in public schools anymore?


35 posted on 01/26/2020 3:26:21 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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And to think, this was a war between siblings and cousins of one big pot of royalty, too!
And each was the religious figurehead for their nation.


38 posted on 01/26/2020 3:33:54 PM PST by Terry L Smith
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By 1914, the established European state churches were nothing but corrupt tools of their respective regimes.


39 posted on 01/26/2020 3:35:09 PM PST by fso301
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This essay asks a question, implies a moral judgment against the men who held the guns; but just doesn’t bother to posit any possible answers. In doing so, it impugns the lowly soldiers who had to do the killing once the elites had set this enormous catastrophe in motion. It was not the conscripts and volunteers in the trenches who abandoned their faith; as always, it was the elites who sat by and watched after they had sent them into the pits of hell on the battlefield.


40 posted on 01/26/2020 3:36:14 PM PST by Albion Wilde (It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it. --Douglas MacArthur)
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The Great War gave a Saturn V boost to trends developing at the turn of the century.


43 posted on 01/26/2020 3:38:39 PM PST by C19fan
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Quite frankly it was broken at least a hundred years before.

All that was left was the "social" Christianity. Which is nice but about as strong as cobwebs when the time comes when you need it.

Christianity was the state religion and the government had it's fingers all over it. That meant that the seminaries were run by the government indirectly and the pastorships and leadership positions in the church were handed out on the basis of who you were related to.

The Church was not a calling but a profession.

Most of the pastors and priests did not believe the tenets of their own faith. And they held those of the laity who did in contempt.

59 posted on 01/26/2020 5:17:25 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (A hero is a hero no matter what medal they give him. Likewise a schmuck is still a schmuck.)
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