1917 and the Breaking of Christian Europe

Catholic Herald ^ | 23 Jan 2020 | Bishop Barron

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If it was about genetics wouldn’t be impregnated by the victors make the Germans more warlike?

[MacNaughton]

42 In fact, Germany, before WWI was problably the least anti-semitic country on the continent. Many Jews fought for the Kaiser and earned Iron Crosses. Hitler even served with some Jews during the war.

Wikipedia - Judensau

A Judensau (German for "Jews' sow") is a folk art image of Jews in obscene contact with a large sow (female pig), which in Judaism is an unclean animal, that appeared during the 13th century in Germany and some other European countries; its popularity lasted for over 600 years. The image appears in the Middle Ages, mostly in carvings on church or cathedral walls, often outside where it could be seen from the street (for example at Wittenberg and Regensburg), but also in other forms.

The city of Wittenberg contains a Judensau from 1305, on the facade of the Stadtkirche, the church where Martin Luther preached. It portrays a rabbi who looks under the sow's tail, and other Jews drinking from its teats. An inscription reads "Rabini Schem HaMphoras," gibberish which presumably bastardizes "shem ha-meforasch" (see Shemhamphorash). The sculpture is one of the last remaining examples in Germany of medieval "Jew baiting." In 1988, on the occasion of the 50th anniversary of the Kristallnacht, debate sprung up about the monument, which resulted in the addition of a sculpture recognizing that during the Holocaust six million Jews were murdered "under the sign of the cross".

In Vom Schem Hamphoras (1543), Luther comments on the Judensau sculpture at Wittenberg, echoing the antisemitism of the image and locating the Talmud in the sow's bowels:

“Here on our church in Wittenberg a sow is sculpted in stone. Young pigs and Jews lie suckling under her. Behind the sow a rabbi is bent over the sow, lifting up her right leg, holding her tail high and looking intensely under her tail and into her Talmud, as though he were reading something acute or extraordinary, which is certainly where they get their Shemhamphoras."

[Verginius Rufus]

12,000 German Jewish soldiers died fighting for Germany in WWI.

[Carriage Hill]

That would be the AntiChrist, wouldn’t it?

[Guenevere]

Well said!

[Bommer]

People went to war with the idea that heaven was on their side.

Most wars do. This was a relatives quarrel. All these assholes were related, the king, the czar, the Keizer, and all had pacts to defend each other. All though we came out of it looking good, we should have stayed out of that mess!

[wally_bert]

I can’t recall any US history class in public school ever getting much further than the revolutionary war. 70’s and 80’s era schooling.

[volunbeer]

Pearl Harbor and 9/11 were very similar in many respects in that they were sneak attacks (casualties were comparable) on an unsuspecting nation that could not understand the motive.

We know now that Japan aimed to conquer Asia for resources, wealth, and out of what they believed to be the divine providence of their Emperor.

We know now that Bin Laden and other radical Jihadists attacked us because they hated us and hated that our nation was in the Middle East at all. We did not give them much thought prior to 9/11, but their hatred was clear and they struck very effectively given their resources.

The majority of the nation did not understand either attack and as such, each and every American felt the sting and direct threat to themselves and their fellow countrymen. I still understand the main reason that Bush went into Iraq as he would have been a historical clown had Saddam armed the Jihadists with WMD’s. That is what he was being told, Iraq was not complying with UN inspections, and he acted as he saw appropriately with very few casualties (most self-inflicted).

It is the continued occupation of those nations and the precious blood and resources we have squandered that confounds most of us. Nobody told us before we went there that Rumsfeld’s “shock and awe” meant we were going to blow up 10k bridges with 100k missiles that we would rebuild for 10 million suffering casualties the whole time. It still makes me sick!

[WashingtonSource]

Wow. I went to school in the 60s and we were taught World War I and World War II in our American history class. I had a wonderful history teacher who was nearing retirement and she was a very talented teacher.

Earlier in elementary school in the 1950s we had prayer in school and not only that we began every morning with a Bible reading and a Christian lesson.

That’s what America needs today!

[daniel1212]

All that was left was the "social" Christianity. Which is nice but about as strong as cobwebs when the time comes when you need it.

Yes, the term "Christianity" is based upon the title "Christian," and Scripture is the only sure definitive source of that term, and defines what it basically means. And which disallows most of what is called Christian.

Yet one can feel such a love for the good things of their country and culture that they feel it is the right thing to fight for it even though their country or part thereof is the evil side. Thus you did have Christians fighting each other in the Civil war.

However, note that the author here is a Catholic, and it is tell that their church can broadly refer to "Christian" while at the same time stating that Protestant churches are not worthy of the proper title "church."

[DesertRhino]

It’s not very “alpha” to line up naked women and shoot them in the back.

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It’s not very “alpha” to line up naked women and shoot them in the back.

First of all, I'm not sure about that at all. Warlike cultures do engage in atrocities all the time, along with doing things that involve more bravery.

Second, I don't understand who that is in reference to: the Germans or the Russians. Neither of them gets off the hook for atrocities.

I'm saying that this whole idea that Germans changed because of a change in the gene pool rather than because of culture and their experience of history is bunk.

The phrase "alpha male" came from somebody who has that theory, and doesn't reflect my own view.

[Elsie]

.I wonder whether we might take the feast of the Baptism of the Lord...

I; for one; would like to see evidence of the Jewish law/custom/practice that Jesus felt the need to be baptized by John.