Posted on 01/08/2020 9:27:32 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Tom Brady is a now free agent, but the NFL player doesn’t have the same worries as millions of Americans over 40.
Workers over 40 are only about half as likely, or less, to get a job offer than younger workers if employers know their age, according to research released this week that was conducted by economics professor David Neumark at the University of California, Irvine. The data was adjusted for differences in skills, fit and availability.
Key to the study was a major change that a company made to its hiring systems. Previously all applicants at a national restaurant chain (which wasn’t named in the study) had filled out an initial application form in a face-to-face meeting with a restaurant manager. So their age was apparent from the get-go.
Under the new system, applications began first with a standardized, online, electronic screen. This included over 100 questions designed to find out a candidate’s skills, experience, employability and other attributes related to the job. But it contained no age screen.
When managers could determine an applicant’s age group, those over 40 were between 46% and 65% less likely to get a job offer than those under 40.
Under the new system, older workers were actually more likely to pass the initial, age-blind application process than younger ones, typically because they had more experience.
UC’s Professor Neumark crunched the numbers from a proprietary hiring database maintained by the unnamed national restaurant chain. (The database of 1,600 job applications emerged from an age-discrimination lawsuit). The hiring decisions covered jobs from “front of house,” such as servers, to “back of house,” such as chefs.
“This set of results is strongly consistent with age discrimination,”
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I'm an electrical engineer. I worked at Litton on the American Express first POS credit card scanners.
I worked at Fairchild Space Company on top secret Navy satellites.
I was the main test engineer on the F/A-18 full motion flight simulator for Sperry Flight Simulation. I didn't design it of course. But I submitted dozens of ECNs (engineering change notices) and improved it in so many ways.
This is one of my proudest achievements.
Oh, by the way, the Banksters destroyed Sperry in the mid 1980s. Sperry was the most revered maker of gyroscopes and Navy torpedoes. Destroyed by the Banksters.
I worked at Magnavox on Army radio communication systems.
I worked at Zenith-Bull on Army TEMPEST computers.
I had a long career in the U.S. Defense Industry. Until I turned 55 and I was tossed out like a dirty Kleenex's.
I guess they found an H-1B from India they could hire for half the price. I wonder how those dot heads even get a security clearance? Someone explain that to me.
So I read all the responses, and can hardly believe the level of conceited contempt on display for folk who have to deal with this very real issue.
Maybe it’s that easy in the major metropolitan area’s, but out here in “Flyover country” it certainly is not.
Claiming that being a “Greeter” at WM (And I don’t think they even have those anymore)is a real job is insulting.
What has happened out here in the real world and our “Tight” labor market is that companies have gone to two twelve hour shifts.
Let’s use the Green darling company, Tesla, as our example.
Their location is a minimum hour long commute for almost all workers as there is NO local housing.
6 AM to 6 PM four days one week and three the next.
Then the shift is changed, 6 PM to 6 AM.
So the average worker is at work and commuting 14-15 hours a day.
As soon as they begin to get acclimated to the schedule, it is reversed.
No need to actively discriminate against the over 50 YO workers when the job demands handle that for you.
Tesla is hiring EVERY DAY, via SEVERAL job placement agencies.
Their turn-over is ridiculous, even the young workers cannot/will not take the grind of it for very long.
Throw in the common but never talked about heavy metal poisonings and it’s a surprise they still operate at all.
And nearly every other company in the area is doing the same.
Seems it’s easier to get enough workers for two shifts than three.
So long as there are enough younger workers available.
Since there really are not, many companies are soliciting illegals in Spanish, as if any genuine American citizen would not be able to speak English.
If our immigration laws were truly being enforced, the over 50 YO workers would have a much easier time finding work.
Everyone I know who wants a job has one.
Unlike back in 2000-2006 when we were told to train in our replacements from India.
The darkest time in my life since 1979 was in 2002 when my company was trying to force 10k Americans out of their jobs and replace them with Indian Engineers.
RE: Everyone I know who wants a job has one.
For the right “low” price, yes.
yes
It may be going insulting to YOU, but it’s a real job for me insuring that I keep my house and my ability to care for my ex-sister-in-law who is mentally challenged and I’m the only family she has...i find YOU insulting...grrr
Seems to me older Americans work a lot harder..without even trying..then many younger Americans or otherwise?
Last job for 12 years and one before that for 18 years. If I just list the one at the level I had it would seem odd.
So, you've met my boss. He has surrounded himself with a bunch of 40-something sycophants.
This is true. I’ve had that experience. I’m 63. I never had a problem getting a job. I work in a local hospital here in NJ. It’s kind of the unspoken truth. Especially when Genxer’s are the hiring mangers. They understand(they won’t admit it) but they know they’ll be hiring an adult with a work ethic and not some slacker who was told by parents(or parent0 to get a job or else.
[Claiming that being a “Greeter” at WM (And I don’t think they even have those anymore)is a real job is insulting.]
Correct. It’s the people that check receipts that are at the door. They are part of the asset protection group. There are actually very few full-time jobs there but some people have been doing that for a long time, so there are a few.
]So I read all the responses, and can hardly believe the level of conceited contempt on display for folk who have to deal with this very real issue.]
Yes it is. I survived (barely) the crash brought on by George W. Bush spending like a drunken sailor in 2008 (no offense to drunken sailors) and the further disaster of the Obama administration. A lot of people didn’t survive. People know it all. Until it happens to them.
I get contacted by a few FReepers in FReepmail. Stories I won’t share with any detail. Only that a variety of things have happened (obviously) and they have survived by the skin of their teeth.
Everyone and I mean everyone is just one car accident, one medical diagnosis, one company bankruptcy away from being where some of us have been. Medical can wipe a person out though a 401(k) is protected in bankruptcy.
But people don’t believe it until it happens. It can happen and it does.
I could list my graduation date because I did not go back and finish college until 18 years after high school so that could be one way to “look” younger.
[Everyone and I mean everyone is just one car accident, one medical diagnosis, one company bankruptcy away from being where some of us have been. Medical can wipe a person out though a 401(k) is protected in bankruptcy.]
Oh, and meant to add, possibly even one divorce / child support decision (no, this did not happen to me).
But I worked with a lot of guys who had to deal with this issue.
(one guy, after complaining his support left him with no money to eat, his ex-wife’s lawyer told him to use his credit cards).
Well, let’s not ask how he pays the credit card bill or anything.
FReepmail
I’m also curious how they get clearances. I’m a citizen and jumped through many hoops and endured many anal probes.
Once you’re old enough for Medicare all bets are off. You actually become a prized resource in that case for many employers — because they DON’T have to pay the cost of a full medical plan for you!
Good explanation. I’m 56 and have aged well, except for the Texas sun! Never tan anymore, it’s cooking your body not tanning it!
I work in IT in Tech. I am 62. I consulted for about a decade after being burned out after working for one of the biggest companies in the United States. I decided to re-enter the work for in 2011 (also one compelling factor was the cost of health insurance)- I sent out a 7 or 8 resumes, got a bunch of interviews and 4 job offers. And I’ve been working full time with different companies since then. I am both thankful and fortunate.
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