And there have been way WAY worse popes than Francis.
Yes remove the little dot in your eye then and expand your spiritual horizons. Pick up a book that almost every one of our founding fathers had on their shelves:
<./center> Posted on 01/01/2020 1:05:44 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
Okay. What’s your point?
>>>Or if you’re protestant, you don’t have to go to confession or show contrition, cause, don’t you know all your future sins are already forgiven?<<<
Yes. That is true. All of our sins: past, present, and future are under the blood of the sacrificed Saviour.
We do not confess our sins to any man for no man has to power to do the work that Jesus Christ has already done. But Christians do get dirty in this present evil world so we do confess our sins . . . directly to God.
“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us” (1 John 1:8-10).
Now, it would be a shame if you were to poo-pooh God’s ordained method for getting clean after we sin.
Baptist are not, and never have been, protestants. There has always been a group of Bible believers unbroken from the days of the Apostles themselves. Sure, they went by different names and they weren’t always strictly correct in their doctrine . . . but they eventually became known as Anabaptists (Re-baptizers) and later Baptists.
As a matter of facts, the reformers: Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, et al, and the Catholic church persecuted these believers. You can read all about it in Foxe’s Book of Martyrs.
Compare Bavaria - heavily Catholic, versus Prussia - heavily anti-Catholic.
The USA was primarily Anglican/Episcopalian until the mid 1800s - and they in form were Catholic to a large extent.
The Calvinistic beliefs date to well after independence
hmmm... I would defer to William L Shirer’s seminal work “the rise and fall of the third reich” - where Shirer was a journalist in Germany chronicling the rise of the Nazis.
Shirere was a Protestant as well.
Yet he pointed out, as CondoleezzaProtege did about Protestant “EXCESSES” shaping the Nazi ideology. Let’s repeat that - excesses, not any particular Protestant sect mainstream belief (* caveat)
Luther was a man of passion who called ANYONE who disagreed with him as a scoundrel, of the devil, fit to be killed. he called Catholics this, Zwingli (a fellow protestant this) and he called Jews this. He also had choice words for peasants who rose against German lords.
Luther was not an anti-semite (a misanthrope perhaps) - if you were a Jew who converted to Luther’s beliefs, he loved you. If you were a German who disagree with him he hated you.
but Luther’s rantings were a core part of Nazi ideology. They twisted his rantings of “I hate those who disagree with me” to “I hate Js”
In addition, the other core factor of Nazi ideology was the 1800s “scientific understanding of evolution” coupled with biblical literalism that was the vogue of both Calvinists in Germany and in the US (leading to Millerites, Seventh Day Adventists, Mormons etc.)
This went on to talk about race evolution and applied it to religious evolution.
Hitler and Goebbels, born Catholic, hated Catholicism as a “Jewish religion” that “held back the German people”
That being said - neither of them became “Protestant” - rather they were more worshipers of Nordicism and the occult.
Nazi-ism can’t blamed on Protestantism or Calvinism specifically, but as CP said, the excesses did play a role in its shaping.
“The Stripping of the Altars” is a good book
Both of you wrote non-sense.
Martin Luther was not an anti-semite.
Did he hate Jews for their “race”? NO
Did he hate a person whose parents were Jews but who was a follower of Luther? NO
Did he call for killing and persecution of people who followed the Jewish religion? YES — with the option of convert and die.
That was bad, but it was NOT anti-semitism (race based) - more misanthropic.
Anti-Judaism was more a reaction to local authorities using Jews as middle-men.
In each country it had different root causes:
> In Spain the fact is that Jews helped Moslems with the conquests and did collaborate (probably with no choice). The expulsion was mostly political
> in the UK this was due to politics and money (similar to Henry 8’s grabbing of church funds centuries later)
a very balanced post, thank you Rurudyne
Ruckman’s work is purely a diatribe - he gives no references or reasoning for his own inventions in the book.
Strictly forgetable as it is non-biblical and non-historical
All of them were self-excommunicated and all of them saw Catholicism as a threat to the Nazis.
they also turned on Lutheran Pastors as well - they got 1/3rd of Lutheran and Calvinist pastors in Prussia to buy into the Nazi Christianity - replacing the “Jewish Christ” with an “Aryan Christ” - but this was more due to the 1800s Prussian forced merging of Lutheran and Calvinist Churches in Prussia.
Simply expressing that on the whole, the Catholic Church is the most rooted in an ancient legacy and continuum with roots not limited to Rome, as the Eastern Catholics remind us.
The early Reformatters selectively looked at historical Christianity.
They completely skipped the early heresies and that’s why many repeated them.
As to knowledge of the early church - that is sorely lacking among the non-Catholic/Orthodox groups
oversimplification?
The pope brought a pagan IDOL into the Vatican.
He doesn’t believe in spreading the Word of God through missionary work.
these are not the fruits of a believing Christian.
Remove the log in your eye before removing the mote in mine.
And there have been way WAY worse popes than Francis.
Yes remove the little dot in your eye then and expand your spiritual horizons. Pick up a book that almost every one of our founding fathers had on their shelves:
<./center> Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.
On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being locked where the disciples were for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.” When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.” ...
f you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld
Isn’t it odd that the apostles were given the ability and the job of forgiving sins? By the way, they also passed it along to others by laying on of hands.
There are no longer any apostles on this earth. What God instructed them to do in their dispensation is for that dispensation. Nowhere is the gift of apostleship transferred to any other as there were certain qualifications necessary to be one.
“Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection” (Acts 1:21-22).
I’m happy to see you are being specific with Scripture, so how about this one . . . from the lips of Jesus Christ Himself.
“And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven” (Matthew 23:9).
Nowhere is the gift of apostleship transferred to any other as there were certain qualifications necessary to be one.
Wrong. There was one who replaced a guy named Judas.
In the days following, Peter proposed that the assembled disciples, who numbered about 120, nominate two men to replace Judas. They chose Joseph called Barsabas (whose surname was Justus) and Matthias. Then they prayed, “Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all [men], shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.”[Acts 1:24–25] Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was numbered with the eleven apostles.[2]
Yes, that is in the context of the verses I posted. He met the qualifications.
LOL! You words were that it was never passed on to anyone else!
I said, not past their dispensation . . .
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