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New York Times writer gets history wrong, claims abortion was always widely accepted
Live Action News ^ | Dec, 26, 2019, | Laura Nicole |

Posted on 12/28/2019 9:35:36 AM PST by Morgana

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To: Morgana

Abortion was ALWAYS looked upon as a dirty and dark secret, driven to back alleys and never discussed. It was a bloody and criminal enterprise, undertaken only under the greatest of duress, and with a high probability that the mother would not survive the procedure either. Whether through bleed-out, or a raging infection, or by later suicide, the consequences were terrible and unforgiving, and even those who survived, many had permanently ended their child bearing years. Considering the alternatives of the time, few mothers would think of undergoing an abortion, even with the burden of another mouth to feed and the pain and grief of raising still one more child.

It was a different world, in so many ways. And not at all as pictured in this screed.

21 posted on 12/28/2019 10:19:46 AM PST by alloysteel (Very willful ignorance and pretense at moral authority are both roadblocks to honest dialogue.)
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To: Morgana

I wonder how he feels about slavery? It was also acceptable in the time frame he talks about.

22 posted on 12/28/2019 10:26:47 AM PST by suthener
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To: Morgana

“New York Times writer gets history wrong”

And in other news, water is wet.

23 posted on 12/28/2019 10:29:52 AM PST by lowbridge
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To: Widget Jr

The NYT has a long history of deliberate, cold blooded lies in the service of ideology. This is just more of the same.

24 posted on 12/28/2019 10:31:09 AM PST by Bayan
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To: Morgana

I can remember when the hostess of “Romper Room” a TV series for young children went to Europe for an abortion because her baby was exposed to thalidomide. The parents of young children were so shocked they rose up and demanded that she be removed from the television show. This was in the early 1960s, as I recall as I was a child but old enough to understand what this lady had done.

25 posted on 12/28/2019 10:36:15 AM PST by erkelly
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To: Morgana

I swear by Apollo the physician, and Asclepius, and Hygieia and Panacea and all the gods and goddesses as my witnesses, that, according to my ability and judgement, I will keep this Oath and this contract:

To hold him who taught me this art equally dear to me as my parents, to be a partner in life with him, and to fulfill his needs when required; to look upon his offspring as equals to my own siblings, and to teach them this art, if they shall wish to learn it, without fee or contract; and that by the set rules, lectures, and every other mode of instruction, I will impart a knowledge of the art to my own sons, and those of my teachers, and to students bound by this contract and having sworn this Oath to the law of medicine, but to no others.

I will use those dietary regimens which will benefit my patients according to my greatest ability and judgement, and I will do no harm or injustice to them.

I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.

In purity and according to divine law will I carry out my life and my art.

I will not use the knife, even upon those suffering from stones, but I will leave this to those who are trained in this craft.

Into whatever homes I go, I will enter them for the benefit of the sick, avoiding any voluntary act of impropriety or corruption, including the seduction of women or men, whether they are free men or slaves.

Whatever I see or hear in the lives of my patients, whether in connection with my professional practice or not, which ought not to be spoken of outside, I will keep secret, as considering all such things to be private.

So long as I maintain this Oath faithfully and without corruption, may it be granted to me to partake of life fully and the practice of my art, gaining the respect of all men for all time. However, should I transgress this Oath and violate it, may the opposite be my fate.


26 posted on 12/28/2019 10:55:03 AM PST by mostly_lies
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To: Morgana
" I will use treatment to help the sick according to my ability and judgment, but never with a view to injury and wrong-doing.

Neither will I administer a poison to anybody when asked to do so, nor will I suggest such a course.

Similarly I will not give to a woman a pessary to cause abortion. But I will keep pure and holy both my life and my art.

I will not use the knife, not even, verily, on sufferers from stone, but I will give place to such as are craftsmen therein."

Hippocratic Oath

27 posted on 12/28/2019 11:11:42 AM PST by RedMonqey
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To: MayflowerMadam

It was not considered murder in those days because child birth was such an iffy thing. But they still wanted it to be banned so they made abortion a crime in its own right.

28 posted on 12/28/2019 11:33:25 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Morgana

Using ether for surgery was common too.

But we have progressed.

We now have many alternatives to preventing unwanted pregnancies.

29 posted on 12/28/2019 11:34:38 AM PST by NoLibZone (I totally get why God wipes out humanity every once in a while.)
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To: Morgana

Muslims think that publicly cutting infidel’s heads of is “socially acceptable”.

Does THAT make it okay?

MURDER (abortion) is okay if it is “socially acceptable”?

Scientific “fact”, Life begins at conception.

The taking of an innocent life is “MURDER”.

A fertilized egg or baby in the womb is NOT part of a women’s body to dispose of as she sees fit.

The baby, (that the woman does not OWN), has its specific individual DNA, AT CONCEPTION.

ENOUGH of this “it’s MY body” BULLSHIRT!

30 posted on 12/28/2019 11:52:37 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: hanamizu
Back in the 1980s was when soy protein was first widely marketed as a health food. At the time, my childbirth-educator ago told our class (all pregnant women) to avoid so-called herbal remedies and health foods that were naturally estrogenic because they could heighten the risk of miscarriage and also of breast cancer. The "no-no" list included soy, flax, red clover, alfalfa.

She also noted that there used to be a herbal remedy called Silphium which in classical antiquity was used for a wide variety of purposes including as a flavoring, a treatment for anxiety/depression and an aphrodisiac. She said we don't know exactly what that plant was --- maybe related to common flavoring herbs like fennel, celery or parsley --- but it was a big money-maker in the limited places it could be cultivated, and rather a "fad" health and beauty food for ladies of the rich and fashionable class.

She opined it was a good thing it (for some reason) went extinct, because if it had not, it could arguably have extincted the upper classes of Hellenistic North Africa.

31 posted on 12/28/2019 11:52:59 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Facts R us.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

In Greek/Roman times, the cities along the coast of North Africa that had the Silphium business, put an image of the plant on their coins. I guess it paid to advertise.

32 posted on 12/28/2019 12:07:31 PM PST by hanamizu
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To: From The Deer Stand

Anyone who supports killing babies is insane. The left rationalize as sickeningly as the Nazis.

33 posted on 12/28/2019 12:12:26 PM PST by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: hanamizu

Sometimes “sylph” is used as a literary term for a delicate, slender young girl. Not sure if this is related to the plant :o/

34 posted on 12/28/2019 1:07:15 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Facts R us.)
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To: Morgana

That was similar to murder when I was growing up.

35 posted on 12/28/2019 1:29:54 PM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (Congress is not made up of leaders however they are representatives of their voters.)
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To: Bayan

I see BS like this related to homosexuality; “scholars” pretend some ancient cultures (with no written records, of course) accepted or even hailed it. Ditto for female empowerment; no shortage of people pretending American Indians or Africans looked to women for leadership because there is no written record to disprove them.

36 posted on 12/28/2019 5:24:17 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Morgana

Note to Rutgers University Press: You guys need your heads examined.

37 posted on 12/28/2019 5:43:24 PM PST by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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