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Despite Red Flags Before Conception Fire, Battery Dangers Got Little Attention From Coast Guard
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Posted on 12/15/2019 10:38:53 AM PST by BenLurkin

Nearly a year before 34 people were killed in a fire aboard the dive boat Conception, a second vessel owned by the same charter company began a three-day voyage around the Channel Islands.

Divers on the Vision charged numerous lithium-ion batteries installed in cameras, phones, computers and even underwater scooters with an array of power outlets in the salon area. At some point, one of those batteries began to smolder as it was charging. An alarmed crew member quickly tossed it into the water, preventing the fire from spreading, a witness and several sources told The Times.

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1 posted on 12/15/2019 10:38:53 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

Outlaw that kind of battery being on a ship.


2 posted on 12/15/2019 10:57:13 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6

We need them to store solar power. What gives?


3 posted on 12/15/2019 11:01:28 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: BenLurkin

Their biggest failure: The crew had no night watch. They were all asleep!


4 posted on 12/15/2019 11:11:07 AM PST by PGR88
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To: DIRTYSECRET

There are no easy fixes for this.

Why mention the Coast Guard in this article?

They didn’t start the fire.

I found that usually, three safety protocols have to be violated for a tragedy like this to happen.

Everyone wants an easy fix.

The Coast Guard can’t be on every ship all the time.


5 posted on 12/15/2019 11:12:51 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6
Yeah. We can go back and make laws, rules ....

That doesn’t stop the primary issues : ignorance, laziness, inability to perform basic cost benefit analysis for ourselves.

Ultimately we are responsible for ourselves and if there is a 1 in a 10,000 chance of something deadly happening can the average person recognize it, think through it and make decision about increasing the odds. Not much anymore.

6 posted on 12/15/2019 11:26:52 AM PST by wgmalabama (Mittens is the new Juan. Go away mittens)
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To: PGR88
Their biggest failure: The crew had no night watch. They were all asleep!

But managed to save themselves.

7 posted on 12/15/2019 11:48:25 AM PST by PAR35
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To: BenLurkin

A lithium fire is a hot fire.


8 posted on 12/15/2019 11:57:01 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: blueunicorn6

Outlaw that kind of battery being on a ship.


Then you ‘outlaw’ pretty much every electronic device in use today. Like cellphones, lights, radios, even a lot of the equipment on the boat itself.


9 posted on 12/15/2019 12:02:45 PM PST by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: blueunicorn6

So true, no one on watch, battery charging in poor location, fire detection equipment inadequate. And finally, battery charging unsafe with this type of battery—some charging system needs to be developed to fail in a safe mode for ship and air use.


10 posted on 12/15/2019 12:39:32 PM PST by KC_for_Freedom (retired aerospace engineer and CSP who also taught)
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To: Mariner
A lithium fire is a hot fire.

The real problem with lithium battery fires is they produce dense clouds of toxic smoke just before they burst into flames.

In an enclosed area like the boat, no one would be able to breath or see to escape.

11 posted on 12/15/2019 2:29:47 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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To: KC_for_Freedom
And finally, battery charging unsafe with this type of battery—some charging system needs to be developed to fail in a safe mode for ship and air use.

The chargers aren't the problem. The problem is cheap chi-com lithium batteries that don't have the protection circuit.

Lithium batteries are sensitive to over-charging, over-discharging and having the current drawn out faster than the battery is rated to deliver.

The protection circuit prevents all of these conditions.


12 posted on 12/15/2019 2:39:20 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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To: BenLurkin

Charge them only on deck. Build a box with handls and strapped to the deck, place batteries in to charge.
If a fire then shove the box overboard.


13 posted on 12/15/2019 5:17:54 PM PST by minnesota_bound (homeless guy. He just has more money....)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

If its only possible to get this in the battery, these uses are in trouble. I was thinking that a solution might be to have a monitor on all the chargers such that a shift towards a dangerous current level would shut things down and disconnect from the battery that was over charging or over heating or whatever. I agree that buying good hardware would be a help too, but the ship needed something for ship protection. (obviously) and the battery charger should have been located away from living quarters, and maybe on an electable shelf. Also, the ship was well aware that divers brought their own equipment and underwater lights, cameras, and other things would come off the shelves from the stores.

When this happened all I could think was that safety was completely overlooked, and then the crew all bedded down.


14 posted on 12/15/2019 8:21:44 PM PST by KC_for_Freedom (retired aerospace engineer and CSP who also taught)
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