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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

If whole-word really didn’t work, the Japanese and Chinese languages would have collapsed long ago, as both cannot be read phonetically.


2 posted on 12/05/2019 4:46:40 PM PST by Little Pig
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To: Little Pig

“It deosn’t mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.”


3 posted on 12/05/2019 4:48:14 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Little Pig

This is something I’ve heard (and read, somewhat) about, but I’m not real up on - what are the pluses v. minuses re: phonics?


6 posted on 12/05/2019 4:49:19 PM PST by LouieFisk
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To: Little Pig

You don’t read the whole kanji at first, as I understand it. You look at one sector of it, then another, then another, and gradually dial in toward the accurate meaning. It’s a puzzle. later on, as you recognize that kanji again, you may reach whole word familiarity with it, but your first go at a new kanji is definitely step-by-step.

(At least that’s my understanding from my daughter who has taken Japanese in high school and college. I’d say she knows about 500 kanji, and must piece her way through the others as best she can.)


11 posted on 12/05/2019 5:09:11 PM PST by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: Little Pig

“If whole-word really didn’t work, the Japanese and Chinese languages would have collapsed long ago, as both cannot be read phonetically.”

the difference is that every stroke in every pictogram in those languages has a story behind it, usually a story that is hundreds and often thousands of years old ... students must learn a lengthy history of those stories to learn to read and write ...

also a non-phonetic language like that is a HUGE disadvantage as there are several hundred spoken languages in China and so there are hundreds of different pronunciations for each character ... when i traveled china forty years ago at the behest of the PRC, we always traveled with a cadre of professional tour guides and at ever different major city we would have to acquire a local translator because the tour guides from Beijing couldn’t speak the local lingoes ...


16 posted on 12/05/2019 5:17:54 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Little Pig

Hiragana and Katakana are both syllabaries, so yes Japan embraces phonetic alphabets.

Kanji is whole word but it isn’t used as much and people spend their whole lives learning...maybe a third of it.


18 posted on 12/05/2019 5:21:15 PM PST by MrEdd (Caveat Emptors)
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To: Little Pig

” If whole-word really didn’t work, the Japanese and Chinese languages would have collapsed long ago ...”

That is of course very incorrect and very stupid.

Languages are not dependent on written expression.


25 posted on 12/05/2019 5:45:57 PM PST by A strike ( Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Little Pig

The entire point of an alphabet is to not use pictograms.


30 posted on 12/05/2019 5:59:56 PM PST by fruser1
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To: Little Pig

Any of the “glyph” scripts were intended to keep the general populace illiterate.

Bruce and I have worked on fixing my kids reading issues and his works at American Thinker were a resource for me in dealing with the school administrators who were not willing to to jettison whole word reading.

Using phonics I (with Bruce’s help) turned both of my kids into avid readers. they were both significantly behind, and are now ahead of their peers in reading. Bruce was a great help. His articles in AT gave me the ammunition I needed to force them to use phonics programs and we turned my kids around from being a full grade level and 1-1/2 grade levels behind to a full grade level ahead for both of my boys.


32 posted on 12/05/2019 6:13:37 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Life is about ass, you're either covering, hauling, laughing, kicking, kissing, or behaving like one)
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To: Little Pig
It is easier to read Japanese hiragana phonetically than English.
45 posted on 12/05/2019 8:10:55 PM PST by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: Little Pig
If whole-word really didn’t work, the Japanese and Chinese languages would have collapsed long ago, as both cannot be read phonetically.


Isn't it better to have a language that works phonetically, as well as integrally?
55 posted on 12/06/2019 1:01:20 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (Please, oh pretty please let Crazy Uncle Joe Biden be the nominee.)
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