I suspect this is the same painter:
Posted on 11/13/2019 10:51:45 AM PST by gaijin
The newly-released movie Midway has generated some interest and a 150-post Freeper thread yesterday:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3793171/posts
In the video below a professor at the US Navy War College hits key info helping an viewer who choses to see this great movie.
A key one that I'd read long ago but had not fully embraced:
US damage control was considerably better than that of Japan. When Japanese pilots hit the USS Yorktown, they returned to their carriers joyous, "We have sunk a US carrier..!"
Yet inside of an hour or so US damage control had bent Heaven & Earth to save her; the fires were out and she was underway; she looked like a totally different ship from the one those pilots had departed.
Yorktown damage control efforts had been so fruitful, so miraculous that when a totally different set of Japanese pilots hit her again later, they, too, returned to the then solely remaining Japanese carrier Hiryuu, blissfully gushing, "We have gone and sunk a SECOND American carrier..!"
They were totally unaware that both different sets of pilots had attacked the SAME carrier, seemingly resurrected twice.
The truth at that point was that ZERO US carriers had gone to the bottom, when they'd gone and reported two false carrier sinkings.
The Japanese command mindset at the time had to have been, "We mourn the loss of 3 of our 4 carriers, yet the Americans, too, have lost two of theirs...."
THAT is surely an aggravating reason why the Hiryuu stayed stubbornly on station --the IJN battle caculus at that point for the case of continuing on at Midway, in spite of their dire setbacks, had to have appeared fairly reasonable.
The Japanese perception at that point was that Midway was at best a draw for the USA.
While the film does not make this important point clear, the film is great.
I recommend that any Freeper interested in the Pacific War go and see the movie.
The the SOURCE link above I start you off mid-point in the video where the point I make in this post is made by the professor. However, you can manually backtrack to start off his excellent talk from the very beginning.
His whole lecture is stellar.
I’ve read that the Japanese were hampered in this by their Bushido culture. Fire fighting & “damage control” were not viewed as a “warrior” activities so culturally there was very little motivation to emphasize it. Quite often the least motivated and skilled people ended up in the job.
Well, in a fire on a ship full of explosives and AV gas you better get that fire out pronto.
They didn’t solve the enraging US torpedo problem until a consultation with —I’m serious, here— ALFRED EINSTEIN..!
Early in the war:
Japanese torpedos - simple, reliable
American torpedos - sophisticated, harmless
For years.
I read the account of one US sub commander, totally confident it was a navy-wide torpedo problem, deliberately firing dud after dud after dud into the same tormented, helpless Japanese ship, just to make it totally clear to all on board that it was not HIM, or whatever.
For a long time the USN just would NOT listen to the myriad of complaints about that torpedo.
whoops, ALBERT.
Bttt.
5.56mm
Yup. Same with putting armor on airplanes, or fuel-tank sealing rubber. Or taking & servicing parachutes, even.
Not only was most of the stuff they had designed based on their many years of experience fighting the Chinese (who had vastly inferior equipment) but the military culture of Japan in the 1930's thought of common-sense defensive measures as being fairy FagBoy talk.
Thank you for the link. I had Tom Freeman’s painting of the Arizona and escorting destroyer off Oahu hanging over my desk at the Center of Military History, along with Battle of Britain, and armor and cavalry prints. Right now they are pending hanging in my new retirement house.
The Japanese trained extensively on night fighting and were very good at it.
We did the same with damage control.
Too cheap to test. The magnetic fields vary across the planet so the Torpedoes need to be calibrated constantly.
On top of that the detonators were foobar.
Double errors are much more frustrating.
The fourth segment of WWII in color on Netflix is entirely devoted to the Battle of Midway. It is a 1 hour show with the actual footage from the attack. Also, there is footage from the Japanese ships too.
They also briefly went over the Battle of the Coral Sea.
I suspect this is the same painter:
Dumbass me never knew that. I’m glad for this information.
As I related in “America’s Victories” a machinist’s mate Oscar Meyer (yes) on the Yorktown came up with a new way of pumping CO2 through the fuel lines in case of fire. He took it to Capt. Buckmeister who ordered him to install it immediately. This was the system that saved the Yorktown.
Maybe those planes didn't require them but the pilots clearly had the masks that weren't on their faces............Maybe some folks here with military fighter plane knowledge could shed some light on this.
As a side note, I've watched many movies with modern day fighter jets with the pilot engaged in conversation over his radio with no oxygen mask on. That I know for certain is BS since one of the pre-flight take off procedures is to attach the oxygen mask.
bfl
Well, it could have been his cousin who was reported to be pretty smart too..........I wouldn't have corrected you because I totally missed it.....LOL
Yes, I remember that from the ‘76 version. They would show an F4U when it was supposed to be a dive bomber, etc. I picked out inaccuracies all throughout even then and I was only 16 (but a huge military aviation geek - still am)
I saw this movie on Veterans Day and was glad I did. My son was waffling a little and didn’t go but now he wants to see it.
Taking him this weekend.
One of my objections:
Almost everyone flying with McCluskey was convinced they were flying hopelessly out to empty ocean, ANYONE could see there were no Jap carriers out there, WE ARE ALL GOING TO BE F*CKING SWIMMING.
When instead McCluskey said, “Nah! We’re going to keep going..!”
He was alone with his lucky feeling, which paid off.
The movie sorta nicked that one.
Their course correction as prompted by a weirdly LONE Jap ship going like a bat out of hell tipped them off.
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