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Movie MIDWAY History Supplement - Video From US Naval War College Professor
US Naval War College & YouTube ^ | Nov. 13th, 2019 | historial Craig Symonds

Posted on 11/13/2019 10:51:45 AM PST by gaijin

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To: JimRed

I’ve read that the Japanese were hampered in this by their Bushido culture. Fire fighting & “damage control” were not viewed as a “warrior” activities so culturally there was very little motivation to emphasize it. Quite often the least motivated and skilled people ended up in the job.


21 posted on 11/13/2019 11:27:10 AM PST by Reily
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To: JimRed

Well, in a fire on a ship full of explosives and AV gas you better get that fire out pronto.


22 posted on 11/13/2019 11:28:09 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (All I know is The I read in the papers.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

They didn’t solve the enraging US torpedo problem until a consultation with —I’m serious, here— ALFRED EINSTEIN..!

Early in the war:

Japanese torpedos - simple, reliable

American torpedos - sophisticated, harmless

For years.

I read the account of one US sub commander, totally confident it was a navy-wide torpedo problem, deliberately firing dud after dud after dud into the same tormented, helpless Japanese ship, just to make it totally clear to all on board that it was not HIM, or whatever.

For a long time the USN just would NOT listen to the myriad of complaints about that torpedo.


23 posted on 11/13/2019 11:29:07 AM PST by gaijin
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To: gaijin

whoops, ALBERT.


24 posted on 11/13/2019 11:30:49 AM PST by gaijin
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To: gaijin

Bttt.

5.56mm


25 posted on 11/13/2019 11:32:55 AM PST by M Kehoe (DRAIN THE SWAMP! BUILD THE WALL!)
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To: Reily
I’ve read that the Japanese were hampered in this by their Bushido culture. Fire fighting & “damage control” were not viewed as a “warrior” activities

Yup. Same with putting armor on airplanes, or fuel-tank sealing rubber. Or taking & servicing parachutes, even.

Not only was most of the stuff they had designed based on their many years of experience fighting the Chinese (who had vastly inferior equipment) but the military culture of Japan in the 1930's thought of common-sense defensive measures as being fairy FagBoy talk.

26 posted on 11/13/2019 11:33:56 AM PST by gaijin
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To: gaijin

Thank you for the link. I had Tom Freeman’s painting of the Arizona and escorting destroyer off Oahu hanging over my desk at the Center of Military History, along with Battle of Britain, and armor and cavalry prints. Right now they are pending hanging in my new retirement house.

https://www.google.com/search?q=painting+uss+arizona&rlz=1C1OKWM_enUS851US851&biw=1280&bih=625&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=0NV8nEcgqPxClM%253A%252CTk0WG_SRIzCO9M%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kTclLDFCjxQA0uFfNd6WIDTA6lijA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwis9Kvv9-flAhUE-6wKHVj8D78Q9QEwAnoECAkQDA#imgrc=0NV8nEcgqPxClM:


27 posted on 11/13/2019 11:40:34 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: gaijin

The Japanese trained extensively on night fighting and were very good at it.

We did the same with damage control.


28 posted on 11/13/2019 11:42:18 AM PST by yarddog ( For I am persuaded.)
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To: gaijin

Too cheap to test. The magnetic fields vary across the planet so the Torpedoes need to be calibrated constantly.

On top of that the detonators were foobar.

Double errors are much more frustrating.


29 posted on 11/13/2019 11:46:06 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (All I know is The I read in the papers.)
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To: gaijin

The fourth segment of WWII in color on Netflix is entirely devoted to the Battle of Midway. It is a 1 hour show with the actual footage from the attack. Also, there is footage from the Japanese ships too.

They also briefly went over the Battle of the Coral Sea.


30 posted on 11/13/2019 11:51:12 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: GreyFriar
The painter was maybe ROYSTON...?

I suspect this is the same painter:


31 posted on 11/13/2019 11:53:32 AM PST by gaijin
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Dumbass me never knew that. I’m glad for this information.


32 posted on 11/13/2019 12:01:41 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: minnesota_bound
Supplement - We won : )

Next time ... could you at least preface your post with a "SPOILER ALERT"?
33 posted on 11/13/2019 12:14:07 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: gaijin

As I related in “America’s Victories” a machinist’s mate Oscar Meyer (yes) on the Yorktown came up with a new way of pumping CO2 through the fuel lines in case of fire. He took it to Capt. Buckmeister who ordered him to install it immediately. This was the system that saved the Yorktown.


34 posted on 11/13/2019 12:17:27 PM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: gaijin
I have a problem with many of the fighter pilot scenes where the pilot is seen yelling in an open cockpit with no goggles or oxygen mask on.

Maybe those planes didn't require them but the pilots clearly had the masks that weren't on their faces............Maybe some folks here with military fighter plane knowledge could shed some light on this.

As a side note, I've watched many movies with modern day fighter jets with the pilot engaged in conversation over his radio with no oxygen mask on. That I know for certain is BS since one of the pre-flight take off procedures is to attach the oxygen mask.

35 posted on 11/13/2019 12:20:29 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (I'm in the cleaning business.......I launder money)
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To: gaijin

bfl


36 posted on 11/13/2019 12:24:19 PM PST by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: gaijin
whoops, ALBERT.

Well, it could have been his cousin who was reported to be pretty smart too..........I wouldn't have corrected you because I totally missed it.....LOL

37 posted on 11/13/2019 12:25:07 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (I'm in the cleaning business.......I launder money)
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To: LS
Because YOU have too much class:

https://www.amazon.com/Americas-Victories-U-S-Wins-Terror/dp/1595230211/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=America%27s+Victories&qid=1573676703&s=books&sr=1-1


38 posted on 11/13/2019 12:26:59 PM PST by gaijin
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To: sarge83

Yes, I remember that from the ‘76 version. They would show an F4U when it was supposed to be a dive bomber, etc. I picked out inaccuracies all throughout even then and I was only 16 (but a huge military aviation geek - still am)

I saw this movie on Veterans Day and was glad I did. My son was waffling a little and didn’t go but now he wants to see it.

Taking him this weekend.


39 posted on 11/13/2019 12:32:41 PM PST by cld51860 (Volo pro veritas)
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To: gaijin

One of my objections:

Almost everyone flying with McCluskey was convinced they were flying hopelessly out to empty ocean, ANYONE could see there were no Jap carriers out there, WE ARE ALL GOING TO BE F*CKING SWIMMING.

When instead McCluskey said, “Nah! We’re going to keep going..!”

He was alone with his lucky feeling, which paid off.

The movie sorta nicked that one.

Their course correction as prompted by a weirdly LONE Jap ship going like a bat out of hell tipped them off.


40 posted on 11/13/2019 12:38:58 PM PST by gaijin
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