Posted on 10/28/2019 7:00:11 AM PDT by Windflier
We are two-thirds along the way to a new American Civil war—at least, that’s what almost 70 percent of voters questioned by Georgetown University’s Institute of Politics and Public Service poll believe.
When asked to express on a scale from 0 to 100, how far we are on our way to the brink of a civil war, the mean response was 67.23.
This conclusion features in the second Civility Poll by GU Politics this year released on Wednesday. The Battleground Civility Poll is the second component of the bipartisan Battleground Poll.
The survey found a generally held belief in over 70 percent of those polled from all across the electorial spectrum, including Democrats, non-partisans, Republicans, Hispanics, blacks, rural voters, urban voters, young and old that the divisions in class, race, and political creed are becoming more significant.
A generally found tenure is that the overall civility in politics is on a free fall in recent times (88% agree, including 71% strongly agree), and the discrepancy between Democrats and Republicans seems to be beyond reconciliation.
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Yup, most people that care about politics and society vastly overestimate the number of folks that care as much as they do about it, at least enough to vote about it. Social media and the 24 hour news cycle seem to amplify this effect. I think a tangible actual warning sign that trouble is coming would be a huge bump in eligible voter turnout for 2020. I doubt it happens, but who knows. You would think folks would simply deign to try voting before they take to the streets with all the hardship that would bring.
Freegards
If you believe that, then you are totally aware of the pitched battles occurring in the federal courts. Most of these do not end up publicly before a judge and the media normally only reports on federal victories, but the truth is that the states and the feds are at each others throats right now.
All of those who serve are sworn to defend the constitution, not an ideology or particular leader. All are schooled in what it means to follow ‘lawful’ orders, and the consequences of following ‘illegal’ orders. If one enters the service under false pretense, thats pretty hard to protect against, but no one is supposed to be a robot following orders blindly, particularly when moral questions arise. Rounding up/disarming/shooting lawful citizens would be illegal orders and will quickly lead to mass defections of NG who are by and large of the people.
Frankly, I think civil war is unlikely, though if we swing back to a socialist leadership with two tiered justice and putting the boot on the neck of the working class, civil disobedience would probably be the first major response of a society in collapse. Obviously people will take sides, and in doing so, take their chances. But I dont think those battles would be between citizen and military or national guard. It will be between the lawful and the lawless gimmidats.
What is "the next country"? Denmark or Colombia?
Another “Poll” posted as a fact and trying to push a meme or idea
Polls have been exposed repeatedly as false and misleading attempts to drive people into joining in or create support for an idea
Nope
I'm reading a the latest book in the Monster Hunters International series titled "Guardian". There is a small description of the Portuguese government that made me think, "This is exactly how our own liberals think." See excerpt below:
The little I know of the Portuguese system of government was that it's the same kind of controlling, super-regulating state as most of Europe. But the feeling I was starting to get from the people told me that while they vote for jerks who regulated everything, they were convinced this was needed so other people behaved properly, while each individual by himself had the absolute certainty that the rules didn't apply to them. Each individual was an anarchist in a country that wanted to control everything. - Monster Hunter Guardian by Larry Correia and Sarah A Hoyt - Simon & Schuster Books
It seems that liberals believe that when their dreamed of utopia occurs, that they will be the one at the top making the decisions for everyone else. On top of that, given the "instant gratification" society we live in, they are very disappointed that it has not happened yet.
Your response mirrors what the frog thinks as he swims in the pot of water. The frog totally ignores the rising temperature of the water as it rises. There are many indicators of the rising temperature; sanctuary cities, violent protests at otherwise peaceful events, violence against police, etc. Look back 20 years, would these things be happening? The stew is getting hotter.
In my 56 years on this planet perspective, I personally feel we on a ‘straw that broke the camel’s back’ cusp......
Maybe I dont follow what point you are trying to make. I gathered it was a supposition of what civil war looks like, not what break down of government or a lawful society looks like.
I dont see states fighting states aka 1861. There are too many enclaves of gimmedat ‘consumers’ mixed into the producer states. I can see major unrest between the two of these at many local levels.
When you say the stew is getting hotter, I can only assume you mean that the producers are losing patience, and I can concur with that.
What is your purpose for pursuing my response? I, like many others here, am not ignorant of the ‘water temperature’. I think we just see the boiling over happening differently, neither way being a good outcome. But what are you proposing as a solution?
I've got ten years on you and it looks exactly the same from my experiential vantage point.
My worst fear is that the Deep State prevails and nothing happens to stop it. The Republic goes out in a whimper other words.
That is something I have observed. The rest of the country lives by the Constitution but don’t the cities end run it by having their own gun laws, ect. Then again even in Texas of all places citizens were going to stand by and let a mother chemically castrate her own son, so is the Republic already lost?
I think it is quite likely we are instead headed for another election like 1984.
Now that trump proves to be even better than promised a landslide ensues.
The 25% of America haters who do occupy many important administrative positions will go nuts. Some will leave America like comey. Others will abuse their powers in academia and Hollywood until fired or ignored into oblivion.
No one thought Venezuela would look like it does now in the 1990’s either.
You are probably right it is just talk but at some point you could get a triggering event, like gun confiscation. So far the right has not fought back other than at the ballot box, jury box and soap box. If the deep state takes away the ballot box by instituting them as having the final say in presidential elections either by fiat or coup that leaves the soap and jury box.
Look at the number of judges who have totally ignored US and state law in regard to clearly legal actions taken by President Trump. They have ignored precedent law or just make it up as they go and it appears to be getting worse. If Trump wins a second term and continues to fill the federal judiciary with conservative Constitutionality strict judges how long before the left decides that federal judge rulings maybe out right ignored? They ignore US code now where immigration is concerned on state and city wide levels with impudence.
The soap box has been under relentless assault for thirty years or more. Political correctness censors, harasses, and gives a green light to physical violence by the left to shut down any attempt by the right to speak freely. Wear a MAGA hat and watch the reaction of the “peace loving” leftist.
That only leaves one box left and so far the right has taken all the abuse and destruction of their Rights by the left. The question is when or if the right will engage the left finally. If we choose to do so and war is forced upon us we must fight with the same brutality, same evil and with finality. With the left there can be no peace without total victory. The Democrats tried this in 1861 and it took total war to stomp out their insurrection and violence. I am afraid it could very well come to this, if-if the right decides to finally join the battle being waged on them.
At that point the right will have only one box left
As long as the schools continue to churn out new batches of indoctrinated socialist-thinking drones each year, this problem will not abate. And that's not even counting the effect of illegals in the country, or the election of privileged minority "asylum-seeker" types to congress. Eventually this will go the way of 1930s Spain.
I’m not sure any political enormity would cause civil unrest here with the conditions as they are now. I can think of maybe 3 things that would possibly cause it: Gun confiscation as you mentioned, failure of entitlement payments, maybe turning the internet/screen entertainment off. It’s hard to imagine the last two happening without the economy catastrophically falling apart beforehand which of course changes the current conditions anyway.
I tend to think the smart global elite move would be to not cause any big waves, just keep the water slowly rising. Just keep everything steadily and slowly sliding down the cultural slope like it has been for the last 100 years or so. Don’t do any one outrageous thing that causes anyone to risk what they have to fight about it now. In 100 years maybe no one will even be able to get off their virtual reality couch much less care about someone confiscating their real life guns.
Freegards
I am not predicting nor promoting civil war. I am merely pointing out that in the presence of the right socio-economic factors, given a flash point event, the strategic pieces exist for a state or a coalition of states to reasonably rebel against the Washington establishment. You do not see states fighting states. I on the other hand after considering what the animating variables would be and applying them to the template of history and the current political and economic structure of the US see a coalition of states as the most likely entity of rebellion.
I believe you are correct in many regards.
I would more refer to it as the flash point. I don't think we are at the stage where a flash point could occur. However, if certain stabilizing changes don'e happen, the we could reach that point in the foreseeable future. Probably still beyond my life span since I am a few years older than you.
You quoted Freeper Cranked, but posted your reply to me.
I agree with all you said.
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