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The Codevilla Tapes
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| October 24, 2019
| David Samuels
Posted on 10/27/2019 3:07:06 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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This is an interview by a liberal who is interviewing Angelo Codevilla .
The historian of American statecraft and spycraft and conservative political philosopher Angelo Codevilla talks about the ruling elite, Jonathan Pollard, and the rise of the techno-surveillance stateand the consequent demise of the American Empire
To: Robert DeLong
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10/27/2019 3:10:42 PM PDT
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a fool in paradise
(Recall that unqualified Hillary Clinton sat on the board of Wal-Mart when Bill Clinton was governor)
To: Billthedrill
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10/27/2019 3:37:48 PM PDT
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Publius
("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill & Publius available at Amazon.)
To: The Shrew
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10/27/2019 3:39:39 PM PDT
by
Interesting Times
(WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
To: Robert DeLong
The first several paragraphs consists of the interviewing spewing his opinion of America as if it were fact. VERY annoying.
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10/27/2019 3:44:42 PM PDT
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Dr. Sivana
(Sutor, ne ultra crepidam--Appelles of Kos)
To: Robert DeLong
Anyting Codevilla says is worth reading.
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10/27/2019 3:44:51 PM PDT
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bigbob
(Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
To: Robert DeLong
Clearly, they were not as bright as me and my friends were
Many people on Free Republic are bright than the interviewer and his editor.
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10/27/2019 3:55:24 PM PDT
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Dr. Sivana
(Sutor, ne ultra crepidam--Appelles of Kos)
To: Robert DeLong
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10/27/2019 3:58:16 PM PDT
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PapaBear3625
("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
To: Dr. Sivana
true, but once you get beyond that is where it gets interesting.
To: a fool in paradise
I took the time. It was well worth it. More education per page than almost any;thing else one might read on the Internet.
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10/27/2019 4:17:32 PM PDT
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arthurus
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To: Dr. Sivana
Get past it. That is a device. Your time will be well spent.
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10/27/2019 4:18:51 PM PDT
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arthurus
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To: Dr. Sivana
You should have read the whole thing. Of course even some FR types are totally mystified by irony and satire.
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10/27/2019 4:20:05 PM PDT
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arthurus
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To: 14themunny; 21stCenturion; 300magnum; A Strict Constructionist; abigail2; AdvisorB; Aggie Mama; ...
Ping. Anti-Federalist writer Brutus warned about this.
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10/27/2019 4:20:38 PM PDT
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Publius
("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill & Publius available at Amazon.)
To: Publius
Thanks for the ping. Great interview. A couple of minor compaints: Codevilla is speaking of the second and third Iraq Wars, not the first and second. The real first one was inextricably linked with world intelligence sources through the offices of one GHW Bush, former director of the CIA. It set up Saddam Hussein as the bad guy because (1) he really was (
cf Halabja), and an idiot as well, for (2) crossing the oil interests of multiple Arab states including both Sunni and Shi'ite, cementing a very strange and powerful alliance against him. It is that, and not any dabbling in WMD, for which he was finally nailed by Bush II. The WMD controversy was nearly silent until it became a political weapon against Bush himself a little later.
The American intelligence business has been heavily blue-blooded from its very inception and especially so since the OSS days. It did not create a quasi elite ruling class, rather it is the product of one that started with power and has amassed a truly frightening level of it since.
If the behavior of what we have come to call Deep State with regard to the attempt to unseat Trump does result in a few bodies behind bars it will be because it revealed this cozy arrangement and in doing so threatens it. If the likes of Comey, Brennan, and Clapper go down it won't be because of the wrath of We The People, it will be because they blew the cover of their own machine. To come out into the light in the intelligence business is to squander power no matter who you're working for.
Lots more to chew over in this extensive piece. Thanks again for the ping!
To: Publius
To: Publius
To: Robert DeLong
It is interesting.
I have witnessed some of what Codrea speaks.
I think he undervalues the role of the Mediacracy, and overvalues the role of the government.
Still, much useful input for thought.
He also disparages President Trump without any considerations of the limits of President Trump’s power, early in his Presidency.
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10/27/2019 5:25:05 PM PDT
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marktwain
(President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
To: Billthedrill
Thanks for the ping. Great interview. A couple of minor compaints: Codevilla is speaking of the second and third Iraq Wars, not the first and second. The real first one was inextricably linked with world intelligence sources through the offices of one GHW Bush, former director of the CIA. It set up Saddam Hussein as the bad guy because (1) he really was (cf Halabja), and an idiot as well, for (2) crossing the oil interests of multiple Arab states including both Sunni and Shi'ite, cementing a very strange and powerful alliance against him. It is that, and not any dabbling in WMD, for which he was finally nailed by Bush II. The WMD controversy was nearly silent until it became a political weapon against Bush himself a little later. Yes, I caught that too.
The American intelligence business has been heavily blue-blooded from its very inception and especially so since the OSS days. It did not create a quasi elite ruling class, rather it is the product of one that started with power and has amassed a truly frightening level of it since.
Yes, the CIA was definitely leftist Progressive, and the FBI a sort of Republican Progressive.
But the FBI was transformed to much more leftist since Hoover.
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10/27/2019 5:27:54 PM PDT
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marktwain
(President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
To: Robert DeLong
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10/27/2019 5:38:36 PM PDT
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TBP
(Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
To: Robert DeLong
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10/27/2019 5:38:36 PM PDT
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TBP
(Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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