Former Dallas Police Officer guilty of Murder

FoxNews ^ | 10/1/2019 | FOX NEWS

[CaptainK]

Amber Guyer guilty of murder, Just announced on FOX News

[Meatspace]

“She didn’t wake up in the morning and say to herself, “I am going to kill that guy that lives right above me”.”

A murder conviction has nothing to do with what one says when they wake up in the morning.

[rollo tomasi]

Yes, that would be a better case for manslaughter, which is why prosecutors high a lot of ambiguity pertaining to manslaughter or murder. This case could cause some laws to change and become more pronounced. Since there will not be riots, slim to none, however, if the verdict went the other way, legislatures would probably be more prone to act.

[ExTxMarine]

The prosecutor never even mentioned nor suggested a motive - NONE! Both the prosecutor and the defense stated that she had never met, nor spoke with Mr. Jean before this deadly incident.

So, basically the jury believes that Amber Guyger got off work, drove to and parked on the fourth floor of her apartment complex (even though she lives on the third floor), walked up to Botham Jean’s door (apparently PRAYING that his latch wasn’t working properly), upon finding her good fortune regarding the latch, she barged inside and killed Mr. Jean because he was there eating ice cream!

Sadly, many Freepers think the same thing; this was a murder conviction based on emotions, because it sure wasn’t a conviction based on logic.

[af_vet_rr]

>>The problem with convicting on anything less than murder is that the only evidence to support it was the defendant’s own testimony. That testimony is self-serving and unverifiable by definition.

That and she was an intruder in his residence, regardless of how she got there or what her profession was.

One huge thing that bugged me is that she tried to claim it was an "accident", when an accident is mishandling a sidearm and putting a round through the wall, hitting somebody next door.

She straight-up shot him in the chest from 10 or 15 feet away, while she was an intruder in his residence.

This is not some person who worked a long day, and they are driving down the road, fall asleep, and drift over into the other lane and kill somebody. This is somebody making the conscious decision to straight-up kill somebody.

I'm glad she was found guilty of murder.

Now if they would just investigate the goings-on of that police union. That seemed sketchy as hell that the president of the largest police union in Dallas could order police cameras turned off so that he could talk to her privately. If she had been a civilian, nobody was going to turn up and order police cameras turned off so she could speak in private.

[nonliberal]

If she was not a cop......She violated the sanctity of his home and started barking orders. He ignored her because it was HIS home. This was a home invasion, pure and simple. An innocent man is dead. He would have been perfectly within his rights to empty a magazine into her.

[af_vet_rr]

>>I was sad then a number a conservatives made a lot of excuses for her: “She was overworked, she was tired” etc. I see no excuse for her actions.

I'm not surprised that some conservatives tried to make excuses for her - they are way too cozy with law enforcement. Those conservatives who rushed to defend her haven't had the opportunity to meet a bad cop; when they do, they'll change their tune really fast.

[rollo tomasi]

Texas has a lot of broad areas, for example murder and manslaughter. Reckless homicide id defined as murder in Texas, so is manslaughter. Both do not need motives or premeditation, only intent which she displayed flat-out admitted too. by stating “I was scared he was going to kill me” which would of been justified in his case since she was criminally trespassing.

Stupidity and the fact she was rushing to get laid is no excuse or an assessment based on “emotion”, lol. Victim deserved justice, that is not emotion, that is a fact.

[Tammy8]

If she had been trying to do the right thing afterward she would have taken responsibility for what happened. Not acted as though it was the fault of the man she murdered.

[Responsibility2nd]

Evidently the idea to have her testify was a BAD IDEA.

That answer - along with her attorney trying to argue a Castle Doctrine Defense was all the jury needed to hear.

Guilty of Murder.

[ronniesgal]

what is your problem with this cop? On another thread you called her the C word. Do you know her?

[ExTxMarine]

If she was not a cop......She violated the sanctity of his home and started barking orders.

Well which is it? She is a cop, she should know better! She is a cop, she had better training than that! She is a cop, she didn't follow police protocols! Or she was a woman who showed a reasonable mistake of fact in her location and acted according to what she THOUGHT was a burglar in her own apartment?

She was NOT charged with Breaking and Entering, so technically there was no way for the jury to convict her of murder due to her involvement of another felony.

With that being said, I agree! He would have had every right to empty a magazine into her! I agree that she committed manslaughter! She caused this man's death - 100% TRUE - but I don't think she entered his apartment, with the intent to kill him simply because he was eating ice cream on his own couch!

I believe she was so pre-occupied with her chatting and texting that she didn't really notice anything around her until she noticed "her" door was not properly latched. At that point, she acted as MANY people would do, if they thought someone was inside "their" house!

[ExTxMarine]

Mistake of fact is actually a legal defense in Texas. The prosecution showed absolutely no reason for her to have entered Mr. Jean’s apartment EXCEPT for a mistake of fact! If that doesn’t put “reasonable doubt” as to whether she arrived at his place to murder him, it just shows that your idea of reasonable doubt and my idea are two different things.

Victim deserved justice, and he would have gotten it with a manslaughter conviction as well. The murder charge was an emotional conviction, in my opinion. You don’t have to like it or agree with it.

[zeugma]

Yeah, I thought everyone knew burglars stick around to cook up some food and watch TV. /sarcasm

No doubt. Also, most apartments I've seen don't actually have a back door, so it's not like there is another point of egress. She deserves the verdict she got, due to her hasty actions that left an innocent man dead.

[grey_whiskers]

I know she shot a totally innocent man in his own home for doing nothing more than eating ice cream and going towards his own door to find out who was trying to enter without permission.

And then texted her adulterous lover (also a cop) instead of rendering first aid.

That’s plenty.

[Meatspace]

Instead of rendering first aid.

She texted her married boyfriend.

She is a horrible human piece of garbage and a convicted murderer.

[bramps]

I admitted I was wrong and another post. Thanks for the info though.

[ETCM]

That, and that she testified that she performed CPR, only for the prosecution to show that she had not a drop of blood on her or her uniform (she lied). She also said she “forgot” about the first aid supplies in her backpack. Officers who responded to her 911 call found the victim still alive and attempted to perform CPR themselves.

She not only displayed a willingness to lie under oath, but she deleted texts from her phone that were not recovered, possibly destroying evidence.

I think what the jury saw was a depraved, cold hearted murderer who cared only about herself.

[bramps]

Good post #224.

[EVO X]

I live in a different state and thought it was manslaughter when I heard the news. I lost track of it until the verdict was issued. The Grand Jury is the one that upped the charges to murder. The jury could have forgone the murder charge and gone with manslaughter, but decided not to.

[Responsibility2nd]

The jury also saw this..... (repeating my post 161 of this thread)

Don’t forget - the jury heard her 911 call.

She kept saying “I’m f-—ked, I’m f-—ked.” And “I’m gonna get fired”.

And never once did she do any first aid to Mr. Jean.

Selfish? Yeah. Very.