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Trouble with Tesla: Couple sold damaged car but told they can’t sue
Chicago Sun Times ^ | 27 Sept 2019 | Stephanie Zimmermann

Posted on 09/29/2019 8:59:17 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

When their new $110,000 car arrived from Chicago, it had undisclosed damage. The case highlights the difficulty in dealing with the company’s secretive arbitration system.

The detailer found paint overspray and sand marks on the rear bumper and flaws on a rear quarter panel.

The Nagers demanded a new, undamaged car, which Tesla refused.

(Excerpt) Read more at chicago.suntimes.com ...


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To: central_va
Whiskey tucking? Where do you find a Corvette with that little mileage?

Serious question.

81 posted on 09/29/2019 1:09:44 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: malach
Silicon Valley does sleazoid business; just look at the software packages, updates, dishonoring contracts, and so forth. Tesla is a product of SV, hence, business as usual. Musk’s company is treating a car like a piece of software—buy it with bugs.

This is why I say Bill Gates is one of the most evil men ever to have run a business.

Never before, have customers paid full price, only to be used (without being told) that they are nothing more than beta testers.

The sheer nerve of calling a bugfix a service pack is enough to rescind the Constitutional restriction on cruel and unusual punishment.

82 posted on 09/29/2019 1:12:00 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: from occupied ga

the only reasons to buy one are sanctimonious environmental virtue signaling and ...

I’m sure you are very happy with your Yaris!

But some like the 0-60 time and can occasionally play with it on the road, also the low center of gravity. Notice Tesla bettered the Porsche Taycan time for Nurburgring by 20 seconds.NICE!

And with you and taxpayers kicking in megabucks, such a deal!

Yes, stick with the Yaris, it will get you to your destination for a very low cost.


83 posted on 09/29/2019 1:13:41 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT
I saw a bumper sticker not long ago...”There's A Tesla Owner Born Every Minute”.
84 posted on 09/29/2019 1:16:03 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (A joke: Brennan,Comey and Lynch walk into a Barr...)
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To: Bonemaker
Corrugated neck...before botox came in vogue.

Phone home!

85 posted on 09/29/2019 1:16:08 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

I know a Crossfit guy and he just loves to tell all about it.

That said, he is in extremely good shape.
Very few in his age bracket (50+) with abs.

Mine said they were just going to the warm California beach for the winter, never returned!!!


86 posted on 09/29/2019 1:21:19 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT
Yes, stick with the Yaris, it will get you to your destination for a very low cost.

My diesel,tens of thousands cheaper than a Tesla,has a highway range of 810 miles on a full tank (I've done it twice).It can be refueled in about 4 minutes at any one of 40,000 stations nationwide. It's supremely comfortable...and fun to drive. And it's loaded with tech.

Why would I want to spend $50K more for a car that takes about 2 days to drive from New York to Miami?

88 posted on 09/29/2019 1:27:32 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (A joke: Brennan,Comey and Lynch walk into a Barr...)
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To: Gay State Conservative

”There’s A Tesla Owner Born Every Minute”.

How much of a tax rebate do they give to drive a diesel?

Yes, there is a large price premium for an EV, but it drops every day.
Recall the late Sergio Marchionne asking you NOT to buy the car, he was losing $14k on each one sold.

https://www.reuters.com/article/chrsyelr-ceo-evs/fiat-chrysler-ceo-please-dont-buy-fiat-500e-electric-car-idUSL1N0O71MS20140521

I enjoy watching the progress of the market and EVs.

For me, it is about comfort and TCO,.
I don’t care if Fred Flintstone is in the back seat making it go.


89 posted on 09/29/2019 1:35:29 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT
I wouldn't bet against EVs someday...maybe 20 years from now...having a 400+ mile (highway) range and be rechargeable in 15 minutes at tens of thousands of places.

But one of the problems I see...even if this happens...is that the same Enviroweenies who are demanding EVs now are also demanding that coal fired,and nuclear,power plants be shut down. So if EVs rise to 50% of passenger cars from their current 1% it's not hard to see a huge,huge problem.

For *everyone*!

90 posted on 09/29/2019 1:47:33 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (A joke: Brennan,Comey and Lynch walk into a Barr...)
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To: Gay State Conservative

range of 810 miles on a full tank (I’ve done it twice)

Long ago, when I was active in mountain climbing, we would drive almost straight through, DuPage Illinois to Colorado, only stopping for gas.1,000 miles plus.
The driver would set the cruise control, hold the wheel and scoot over. From the backseat, the replacement would climb into the driver’s position. Repeat as necessary...

Lucky when we went ice climbing in New Hampshire we never had any accidents, could have met you by accident!

Those days are gone.


91 posted on 09/29/2019 1:53:35 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

This has happened since the dawn of the auto industry.

There was a thread on a old Ford truck forum where son was restoring Dad’s truck that Dad purchased new.

It had always been a mystery why the truck took so long to get delivery of since, although it was ordered, it wasn’t really that unique.

When it was stripped to metal, several nicely repaired bullet holes were found on one side. It was theorized that it was likely hit while on the train in route to the dealer. Another reason that auto transport cars now are almost solid sided.


92 posted on 09/29/2019 1:54:23 PM PDT by Clay Moore (“Those Who Can Make You Believe Absurdities, Can Make You Commit Atrocities” Voltaire.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

So if EVs rise to 50% of passenger cars from their current 1% it’s not hard to see a huge,huge problem.

Peak daytime electric demand is twice average demand, night-time demand is half daytime demand.

There is a great deal of elasticity in the system.

Like the blond visiting the sun, do it at night.

Also there staggered demand charging systems that ‘talk’ to each other to limit peak demand.

Americans drive 29.2 miles per day,
https://newsroom.aaa.com/2015/04/new-study-reveals-much-motorists-drive/

Not a lot of daily charging time.


93 posted on 09/29/2019 2:05:35 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Years ago a HS student in Iowa bought a new Ford pickup and it turned out it had been totaled but the dealership repaired it and sold as new. The dealership went under shortly afterwards.


94 posted on 09/29/2019 2:33:06 PM PDT by Mean Daddy (Every time Hillary lies, a demon gets its wings. - Windflier)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
"See, they installed that overspray at the factory, there's nothin' we can do, but, but I'll talk to my boss...."


95 posted on 09/29/2019 2:37:45 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: DUMBGRUNT
Very few in his age bracket (50+) with abs.

I like mine so much that I protect them with a layer of fat.

96 posted on 09/29/2019 3:13:49 PM PDT by Oatka
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Maybe the photog said Trump will win in 2020 to get that look.


97 posted on 09/29/2019 3:29:32 PM PDT by xp38
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To: Oatka

If by some miraculous occurrence my abs were to return, I would give them anything they ask for!
Deluxe beacon cheeseburger, lots of gelato, big pancake breakfast...


98 posted on 09/29/2019 3:30:01 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: Clay Moore
This has happened since the dawn of the auto industry.

It’s not as bad as it used to be. In the ‘50s, even before I could drive, my dad schooled me in the art of buying a used car, something he loved to do. Back before odometer fraud was a felony, you had to check the wear on the brake pedal rubber to see if it was in line with the claimed mileage. You would check the coolant water for oatmeal or whatever poured in to plug a leak. You would check the transmission and differential oil for sawdust added to quiet noisy gears. There were dozens of other tells from the old days. Fraudsters are no longer that bold, but you still need to check for rust and misalignment from an undisclosed wreck, and the oil and radiator fluid reveal as much as the blood tests my doctor gives me.

Thanks to my dad, I buy only used cars, and have always done well.

99 posted on 09/29/2019 5:12:39 PM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: PUGACHEV

Thanks to my dad, I buy only used cars, and have always done well.

A very nice homage to your father.

I would add to your checklist, de-scented kerosene rubdown for a quickie paint restoration, hamburger in the rear end, better than sawdust, the famous rice ‘valve job’ and the artists that can cover major bodywork damage with masking tape and feathering compound.


100 posted on 09/29/2019 5:45:04 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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