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To: teppe
Unlike in 325 A.D. where they got impatient with God and made up stuff about him at the Council of Nicea).

I see.

Can you point out just which parts are made up here??


The Nicene Creed was originally written in Greek.
Its principal liturgical use is in the context of the Eucharist in the West and in the context of both baptism and the Eucharist in the East.

A modern English version of the text is as follows:

1. I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.

2. I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages.

3. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made.

4. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man.

5. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures.

6. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

7. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end.

8. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets.

9. I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.

10. I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come.

Amen.


314 posted on 11/25/2019 5:20:45 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Oh sorry .... I didn’t see that you had posted this ‘Modern Version’ of the Creed.

The problem with this creed is the term ‘Consubstantial’ in article 3, which is the same as “Homoousios” portion of the original AD 325 Nicene Creed which means “the same substance”.

This statement declares that God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ are literally ‘one and the same’.

While the Nicene Creed somewhat hides this foreign concept, Supposedly Athenasius (The Hero of Nicea) further developed it in the following creed (however, it is believed to be forged/falsly attributed to Athenasius)

Athanasian Creed

1. Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith;

2. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.

3. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity;

4. Neither confounding the persons nor dividing the substance.

5. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Spirit.

6. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one, the glory equal, the majesty coeternal.

7. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit.

8. The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit uncreated.

9. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Spirit incomprehensible.

10. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal.

11. And yet they are not three eternals but one eternal.

12. As also there are not three uncreated nor three incomprehensible, but one uncreated and one incomprehensible.

13. So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Spirit almighty.

14. And yet they are not three almighties, but one almighty.

15. So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God;

16. And yet they are not three Gods, but one God.

17. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Spirit Lord;

18. And yet they are not three Lords but one Lord.

19. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord;

20. So are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say; There are three Gods or three Lords.

21. The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten.

22. The Son is of the Father alone; not made nor created, but begotten.

23. The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.

24. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits.

25. And in this Trinity none is afore or after another; none is greater or less than another.

26. But the whole three persons are coeternal, and coequal.

27. So that in all things, as aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshipped.

28. He therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity.

29. Furthermore it is necessary to everlasting salvation that he also believe rightly the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ.

30. For the right faith is that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and man.

31. God of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and man of substance of His mother, born in the world.

32. Perfect God and perfect man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting.

33. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood.

34. Who, although He is God and man, yet He is not two, but one Christ.

35. One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh, but by taking of that manhood into God.

36. One altogether, not by confusion of substance, but by unity of person.

37. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man, so God and man is one Christ;

38. Who suffered for our salvation, descended into hell, rose again the third day from the dead;

39. He ascended into heaven, He sits on the right hand of the Father, God, Almighty;

40. From thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead.

41. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies;

42. and shall give account of their own works.

43. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting and they that have done evil into everlasting fire.

44. This is the catholic faith, which except a man believe faithfully he cannot be saved.


320 posted on 11/27/2019 4:03:07 PM PST by teppe
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To: Elsie

FYI: The ‘Doctrine of the Trinity’ really reflects the so called ‘Athenasian Creed’ (no one really knows who wrote it because the oldest copy dates back to something like 1200)

White Tertullian is believed to have coined the term ‘Trinity’ .... he was definitely did not believe in its current definition as expressed in his letter ‘Against Praexius’ which portrays a belief system similar to the LDS Church Doctrine. (don’t be fooled by the nicene/athenasian insert that some corrupt Monk inserted into the text .... it’s the only one that so-called ‘Orthodox’ like to quote from the letter)


321 posted on 11/27/2019 4:52:27 PM PST by teppe
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To: Elsie

Last of all ... It GREATLY offends me that this Creed was used to murder people as heretics in the name of Christ for not believing it.

Anytime a Group uses Christianity as a reason to murder others .... it is most assuredly NOT of Christ!!! Therefore ... I think it was Satan’s corruption of early Christian doctrine.

When God and Jesus Christ visited Joseph Smitth in the 1820 ‘first vision’ Christ told him “...all of their creeds are an abomination unto him (Christ)...”


322 posted on 11/27/2019 4:58:41 PM PST by teppe
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