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To: Elsie

FYI: The ‘Doctrine of the Trinity’ really reflects the so called ‘Athenasian Creed’ (no one really knows who wrote it because the oldest copy dates back to something like 1200)

White Tertullian is believed to have coined the term ‘Trinity’ .... he was definitely did not believe in its current definition as expressed in his letter ‘Against Praexius’ which portrays a belief system similar to the LDS Church Doctrine. (don’t be fooled by the nicene/athenasian insert that some corrupt Monk inserted into the text .... it’s the only one that so-called ‘Orthodox’ like to quote from the letter)


321 posted on 11/27/2019 4:52:27 PM PST by teppe
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To: teppe
FYI: The ‘Doctrine of the Trinity’ really reflects the so called ‘Athenasian Creed’ (no one really knows who wrote it because the oldest copy dates back to something like 1200)

And the Golden Plates date back to; uh, well; we don't know, for they seem to have vanished.

324 posted on 11/27/2019 5:43:46 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe
What we DO know about them is that Joseph Smith's MEMORY about what the carators on the plates LOOKED like do not match ANYTHING ever found on earth before.


The "Caractors" are the only tangible evidence in existence related to Smith's story.
No gold plates, no brass plates, no peep stones, no Urim and Thummim...
only these "Caractors," not a single one of which is in the purported languages.



Smith's translation of the Caractors. According to Martin Harris (Joseph Smith - History, 1:64), "I went to the city of New York, and presented the characters which had been translated, with the translation thereof, to Professor Charles Anthon, a gentleman celebrated for his literary attainments. Professor Anthon stated that the translation was correct, more so than any he had before seen translated from the Egyptian. I then showed him those which were not yet translated,* and he said they were Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic; and he said they were true characters."

Speak right up now in all truthfulness. Isn't it revealing how Smith started out making a stab at creating believable "caractors" but quckly gave up and produced nothing but squiggles, ending up wih a series of nothing more than crude little scribbles? Yet Professor Anthon supposedly translated them!

*Harris must have had two or three pieces of paper with him—one with characters and a translation of them (on the same paper or a separate one) and one with untranslated characters—quite likely the "Caractors." Some Mormon "scholars" have gone out on a limb, sawed it off, and knocked themselves out trying to translate from these true Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic characters a segment that would correspond with a verse from 1 Nephi.


Modern-day experts in Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic. In 1829, any knowledge of these languages possessed by U.S. scholars would have been rudimentary at best. Expertise in them has vastly improved since then. So go ahead, do it. Get any modern expert in these languages to identify which of these "Caractors" are Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac and Arabic. Better still, accept the claim of Mormon apologists that Anthon did indeed so testify and that his appraisal of the Caractors was correct. (Op. cit, pp. 73-75)

Save your money! Samples of Assyriac/Aramaic and Arabic writing:



 



What say you? Which of Smith's "Caractors" resemble the Assyriac and Arabic ones? No need to pay experts for their analysis. A child could accurately check this out. These writing systems have remained constant for well over 3000 years.


325 posted on 11/27/2019 5:46:21 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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