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To: ichabod1

WTF? Whoever told you that? Obviously you never served.

Everyone that serves in the U.S. military, regardless of rank, take an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic so help us God.

This is for anyone that enters the Service as an Officer or Enlisted.


524 posted on 09/10/2019 12:39:57 PM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: Enlightened1; ichabod1
My thought on this is that military officers swear to uphold the constitution, they (unlike enlisted) do not swear to follow orders of the CinC.

Re-read what ichabod1 said. He didn't say what you said he said. What he said is also what my memory says (from reading).

532 posted on 09/10/2019 12:46:55 PM PDT by little jeremiah (New tagline in the pipeline)
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To: Enlightened1; ichabod1; little jeremiah
Oath of office for Army Elisted Ranks:

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."


Oath of office for Army Officers:

"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God."


I think all the services are the same, and based on language from Title 10 in the US Code. Enlisted oath does include the president language. Officers, just the Constitution and 'duties of office'

Army Sauce

566 posted on 09/10/2019 2:35:05 PM PDT by KitJ (Shall not be infringed...)
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To: Enlightened1

You’re correct. However there is a specific difference between the Officers oath and th Enlisted Oath.

The enlisted oath includes this:

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

The Officer oath is:

I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

Note that the officers oath does not include the phrase “and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me”.

There is a specific reason that was drilled into us prior to commissioning for this. It is the Officer who is responsible to his sailors to ensure that he does not allow an illegal order to flow down. It is the officers role and responsibility to assume the risk of court martial to prevent the execution of illegal orders. The courts have nullified a lot of the tradition in this regard within the past 100 years, but it is still one role that is expressly different and embodied in the oath.

That’s what he was trying to say imho.


583 posted on 09/10/2019 3:55:59 PM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary that good men do nothing)
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To: Enlightened1

Clearly you weren’t officer material because the officer’s oath is as follows:

“I ___, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

See anything about following the CINC’s orders in there, spunky? Well, do ya? I di’int think so. Boom. Dunk. Teabag.


594 posted on 09/10/2019 4:17:53 PM PDT by ichabod1 (He's a vindictive SOB but he's *our* vindictive SOB.)
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