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Amazon's Ring wants police to keep these surveillance details from you (e-surveillance)
cnet.com ^ | 8/21/19 | Alfred Ng

Posted on 08/21/2019 8:29:38 PM PDT by ransomnote

In documents sent to police in Illinois, Ring informed officers what “should not be shared with the public.”

Police might be able to see throughout neighborhoods using Ring's video doorbells, but that transparency doesn't go both ways. In documents sent to police in Illinois, Amazon's Ring unit instructs officers on exactly what law enforcement shouldn't share with the public. 

But through public documents and interviews with police, we're able to explain exactly what those features are. 

Ring has partnered with scores of police departments across the country, though the details of those relationships are often limited. For example, Ring still declines to provide the full number of police partnerships, leaving privacy advocates to figure out those numbers through public data requests. Privacy researcher Shreyas Gandlur released a map showing every Ring police partnership he could find, totaling 250 as of Aug. 19.  

That's not the only detail Ring and police are keeping secret. In email exchanges between Ring and the Bensenville, Illinois, police department in July, the Amazon-owned company -- Amazon purchased Ring in 2018 for $839 million -- detailed what tools should be kept confidential. 

"Neighbors Portal back-end features should not be shared with the public, including the law enforcement portal on desktop view, the heat map, sample video request emails or the video request process itself as they often contain sensitive investigative information," a Ring associate wrote to police, according to FOIA documents sent to Gandlur. 


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1 posted on 08/21/2019 8:29:38 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote

I don’t understand why people pay to be spied on.


2 posted on 08/21/2019 8:32:35 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Ring doorbell cameras look outside the house, not inside.

I like the idea of being able to see who’s messing around my property.


3 posted on 08/21/2019 8:42:14 PM PDT by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
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To: bigbob

What does the heat map do?


4 posted on 08/21/2019 8:45:55 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

“When police partner with Ring, they have access to all of this, plus a portal specifically for law enforcement. That portal allows police to request footage from residents on the app, to comment on the posts, to send messages to people and to receive videos sent from people.”

Igbay Otherbray is recruiting his little helpers.


5 posted on 08/21/2019 8:49:50 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: ransomnote

I have a security cam linked to a PC in my home, with footage going to a hard drive. It rolls over once the HDD is full, and older files are overridden first.


6 posted on 08/21/2019 8:54:47 PM PDT by Tacrolimus1mg (Do no harm, but take no sh!t.)
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To: BenLurkin

Heat images reveal the heat bloom from grow lights. It’s a way to spot local pot cultivation.


7 posted on 08/21/2019 8:55:01 PM PDT by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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To: ransomnote

Big Bezos is watching you.


8 posted on 08/21/2019 8:57:07 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Epstein proves it's all a charade.)
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To: BenLurkin

?Show globull warming spots?


9 posted on 08/21/2019 8:58:08 PM PDT by mabarker1 ((Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!!) Z)
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To: ransomnote

2019 is the new 1984.


10 posted on 08/21/2019 9:37:06 PM PDT by bluejean (I'm becoming a cranky old person. It really annoys me.)
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To: BenLurkin
A heat map is pretty much what you'd think it is - a map with some kind of data overlaid on it. In this case it would probably be Google Maps with a symbol showing the location and direction of every Ring camera, which is to say there would be concentrations in suburbs and not so many down in the hood. Cops could pull up the heat map and see if there are cameras in the area where a crime was committed or where someone might have travelled before or after, and then they could go request that video.

Typical heatmap just for reference - the one's they're talking about would be city or neighborhood-sized:


11 posted on 08/21/2019 9:41:41 PM PDT by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
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To: jonascord

Heat images reveal the heat bloom from grow lights. It’s a way to spot local pot cultivation.


Sigh...Did you read the article?

According to the article:

There are at least two different kinds of heat maps police received through Ring.

Police have access to a heat map showing where Ring doorbells are concentrated. The redder it is on the map, the more Ring cameras there are. CNET obtained a screenshot of the heat map in Bloomfield, New Jersey, during an interview in May with the city’s police.

The map showed that the entire town was covered in Ring cameras, which would allow police to request footage from virtually anywhere in the neighborhood.

For other police departments, the heat map is a tool that could help show where to distribute free video doorbells that Ring provides to law enforcement.

Police in Hampton, Virginia, partnered with Ring in March and received 15 free cameras, plus one free camera for every 20 people who signed up. The department said it doesn’t have exact numbers on how many people in the town have Ring cameras but said the heat map has helped provide a sense of how widespread they are.

“As you use that heat map, you can get a general area,” Sgt. R.C. Williams, Hampton police’s public information officer, told CNET in May. “It covers a good portion of the community, but there are certain areas that are not covered.”

At the time, the department said it was working with its crime analysis team to figure out where to distribute Ring cameras.

The other kind of heat map was detailed in public documents sent to Motherboard. According to the report, Amazon created heat maps showing where packages were lost and shared it with police. The tech giant then helped police organize sting operations using Ring doorbells in attempts to catch package thieves. Ring said it didn’t create that map and only provides the heat map of cameras available to police.


12 posted on 08/21/2019 9:42:32 PM PDT by Freedom56v2
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To: ransomnote

Ring, meet my Hillary hammer.


13 posted on 08/21/2019 9:55:57 PM PDT by blackdog
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14 posted on 08/21/2019 10:07:14 PM PDT by bitt (The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody had decided not to see.- Ayn)
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To: Freedom56v2
Locally, here in the Northwest, the popo were borrowing FLIR units from the Army and overflying the 'burbs.

At the time, there was a question of whether it was violating the Posse Comitatus Act. Later, there was a search warrant to the power company for electricity consumption. You can, perhaps, understand my confusion. Cops, here, have a casual attitude toward this Constitution thing. Witness our local mayor and Antifa.

15 posted on 08/21/2019 10:45:54 PM PDT by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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To: Tacrolimus1mg
I have a security cam linked to a PC in my home, with footage going to a hard drive. It rolls over once the HDD is full, and older files are overridden first.

That's the best way to do it. The only reason to use a cloud-based service is to leverage functionality only available in the cloud. Storage is cheap and there's no need to use someone else's.
16 posted on 08/21/2019 10:48:28 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: jonascord

No. Read the article.


17 posted on 08/21/2019 11:09:48 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: bigbob
...I like the idea of being able to see who’s messing around my property...

Do you like the idea of the po-po having a dated recording of every time you left your house? Or every visitor to your place?

I can see all sorts of room for abuse. Suppose you went out one day and 20 min later someone who is described only, no picture, but is claimed to be wearing the same clothes as you commits a crime nearby.

Without the recording, you are never a suspect, but with it you are on the list.

18 posted on 08/21/2019 11:15:13 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: ransomnote

Well now, this would explain why Ring doorbells motion detection is on a hair trigger in which sensitivity settings are woefully ineffective. And why it is useless as a security device unless you PAY Ring on a monthly basis for cloud recording. What a scam.


19 posted on 08/22/2019 2:22:09 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: ransomnote

Story a few years back detailed how under certain conditions, Ring would send video to and IP address in China.

Not just US LEA getting the Ring data


20 posted on 08/22/2019 4:03:24 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (Opportunities multiply as they are seized.)
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