Posted on 08/17/2019 8:46:09 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
Tesla’s Model 3 is cheaper on a total cost of ownership basis than competing luxury sedans from BMW and Mercedes, but a Toyota Camry? Model 3 is a state-of-the-art electric vehicle with a 5-star safety rating and a driving experience that’s gotten rave reviews from every auto mag under the sun. Is it possible that it’s even in the same price class as the entry-level, reliable-but-dull Camry?
the figures for an Audi A5, and the result is … embarrassing? Game-changing? Adjectives fail us. The cost per mile of the German sedan over 5 years comes out to $0.80, a little less than double that of Model 3.
(Excerpt) Read more at cleantechnica.com ...
I don’t know when/where you get your fake news but mine news is everywhere.
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-model-3-bulk-order-canceled-by-nextmove-repair-issues-2019-8
A German rental-car company said it canceled plans to buy 100 Tesla Model 3s because of quality issues
Nextmove, a German car-rental company, planned to buy 100 Tesla Model 3s this year, which would have made it the largest customer of Elon Musk’s electric-car maker in Europe.
That all changed after the first 15 deliveries, according to a report in Bloomberg News on Friday, when Nextmove CEO Stefan Moeller opted to cancel the order because of headaches in dealing with Tesla’s service department.
“The Model 3 is a fantastic car. Some of our customers totally fell in love with it,” Moeller told Bloomberg. “But the organization behind it doesn’t match that. It’s really sobering.”
A Tesla representative said that the company suspects Moeller opted to cancel the order due to a separate dispute from earlier, and that Tesla had provided loaner vehicles for the interim period before the remaining cars arrived.
“Although there is always a small chance that a car may occasionally encounter blemishes during final transport to a customer, that is not unique to Tesla and we address those issues quickly for anyone impacted,” the company told Business Insider. “We are also in the process of scaling up service centers globally, including a more than 50% increase in Mobile Service vehicles and a five-fold increase in Mobile Service coverage just this year in Europe.”
There was also an issue with the vehicles’ identification numbers, or VINs, which temporarily kept Nextmove from reaping lucrative tax benefits that come from registering electric cars in Germany. Tesla said that has now been resolved.
Physical issues with delivered cars aren’t unique to Nextmove by any means. Musk has noted on twitter and earnings conference calls that service was an issue the company was working to resolve.
“We’re opening service centers as fast as we can and have already opened 25 new service locations this quarter and the rate of service center opening will increase dramatically into the course of this year, as well as more mobile service,” he said on the company’s second-quarter earnings call.
A Facebook group for Model 3 owners with paint issues has amassed more than 800 members from around the world, and the twitter hashtag #TeslaPaintIssues routinely shows defects with new cars posted by owners.
Buying the actual car, then maintaining it. Buying it = sunk cost.
An ugly, poorly constructed coal-powered car that looks like Mazda3, has a limited range, poor performance in cold weather and has a toxic, hazardous battery to dispose (Tesla3)
vs
A sleek, superbly constructed gasoline powered car with superior handling (AudiA5/S5)...
“Hawaii, for example, has Kw/hr rates of ~$0.33/hr.”
and gas prices of $4 a gallon.
“Buying the actual car, then maintaining it. Buying it = sunk cost.”
Obviously you don’t understand the facts.
“I don’t know when/where you get your fake news but mine news is everywhere.”
LOL! I quoted the CEO.
When did he say that?
“As another FReeper pointed out, there are no guarantees that electricity prices will continue to be what they are now - particularly when demand goes up.”
No guarantee on gas prices.
“As an aside, I find it interesting that the ‘green’ crowd are against using air conditioners - as they use too much energy (electricity), but are advocating for everyone’s car to be electric. Estimates are that a single charge of an electric car is equivalent to running an air conditioner for 6 hours.”
non sequitur
Perhaps the more mature thing to do would be to post your own links to data and facts rather than trolling the thread.
“Finally, there’s the big question of what is the carbon footprint of producing the electricity for electric cars, and obtaining the raw materials for the batteries, etc., and how does this compare to the decreases in carbon production by switching to electric cars?”
Not related to article or my comments.
Then explain it.
I’m thinking Texasgator must be a lib troll from Austin where economics doesn’t matter.
Given Tesla’s reliability....how long will you be without the car while it is getting fixed?
I question the resale value of the tesla 3 since it hasn’t been out 5 years yet.
Thanks, that’s the point I was trying to make.
“The maintenance cost they assume for the camry over 5 years is outrageously high. It’s not 4 grand over 5 years.”
This is strange. Does not show up in their study numbers; only in final chart. Correcting gives both cars similar numbers.
i notice they didn’t factor in the relative repair costs and wait times of a moderate collision for a Tesla 3 vs a Toyota Camry ...
Ultimately you can expect that sort of thing to be part of new construction, but the retrofit cost onto an existing home is going to run you close to $10K. That's a one-time investment, but it's still very significant, even more so if you want to add solar roof tiles to get that juice "for free".
Doesn't bode well for either his judgement or the state of EV Quality.
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