[jeffersondem]

“”At pleasure” comes to us directly from President Madison's letter to Trist, but once you have that idea fixed firmly in your mind, reading any other Founder, you will never find a place where that Founder contradicts Madison's or Buchanan's point.”

One reason no other founding father of the Constitution challenged Madison's 1830 letter to Trist may be because they had all died by 1829.

That is why the man said, “They were dead, Jim.”

[DiogenesLamp]

This is so stupid. Madison was a member of the committee that wrote Virginia's ratification statement. Virginia clearly said it can reassume it's powers given up to the Federal government. If Madison had any issues with this position, he should have voiced them during the committee meetings.

Virginia's collective statement, and one of which Madison was a part, rebukes Madison's 1830 claim. So do the statements of New York and Rhode Island.

Madison of 1830 would have us believe no one had contemplated leaving the Union, but the ratification statements of New York, Virginia, and Rhode Island clearly prove that they did.

What's that legal term of art?

"Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus."

[BroJoeK]

jeffersondem: "One reason no other founding father of the Constitution challenged Madison's 1830 letter to Trist may be because they had all died by 1829."

No Founder, while living, ever proposed or supported unilateral declaration of secession at pleasure.

That's a fact, FRiend.