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The American way to beat China at 5G, a high-stakes battle over the future of wireless
New York Post ^ | 06/25/2019 | Brian Carney

Posted on 07/25/2019 2:06:39 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

America is in a high-stakes battle with China over the future of wireless. But sometimes it seems like only Beijing realizes it.

Business as usual has ­allowed our wireless-technology industry to atrophy or move overseas, while China presses ahead with an explicit plan to dominate wireless technology and wireless networks worldwide.

Our big wireless carriers say there’s nothing to worry about. But their dirty secret is that they are marketing and customer-service outfits, not technology leaders.

Asking a carrier to secure the future of wireless technology is like asking a Walgreens employee to invent the next blockbuster drug. Walgreens is a great business, but it isn’t in the business of invention. Fifty years ago, AT&T owned Bell Labs. Today Nokia does. It’s still out there in northern New Jersey, but it’s a shadow of its former self.

This is the fate of our entire wireless-technology industry unless we do something, and quickly, to flip the table on Xi Jinping. The Chinese will own the technology, and we will have no one else to buy it from but them.

Seven years ago, the US government sought to fill a gap in our communications infrastructure by setting aside dedicated, nationwide spectrum for first responders. As happens all too often in Washington, that effort was captured by big-business interests, and the First Responder Network became just another subsidy for AT&T.

Today, we have another chance to fill a gap and meet a pressing national need in wireless. The Trump administration has taken important steps to enforce our laws and punish Huawei for flouting export restrictions and stealing intellectual property. But we can do more.

We have to start by recognizing that fifth-generation, or 5G, networks will be different. They will require new technology but also new business models, new structures and new ways

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Society
KEYWORDS: 5g; china; wireless

1 posted on 07/25/2019 2:06:39 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Most of this 5G stuff is going to be of even shorter range, leaving vast areas in Fly Over Country even more unserved.


2 posted on 07/25/2019 2:09:22 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SeekAndFind

China cannot be allowed to own 5g. It’s more than just connection speed, a LOT more.


3 posted on 07/25/2019 2:10:26 PM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: Paladin2

5g will be fast but very problematic. Distance, walls are the enemy among other things. It’s pretty erratic so devices will need a Lot of caches for all the misses and retries.


4 posted on 07/25/2019 2:17:59 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (All I know is The I read in the papers.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Not sure the author has the cred to comment on what’s going on or not going on with 5G.

This article says it’s already available in some cities in the US:

https://www.pocket-lint.com/phones/news/128938-what-is-5g-when-is-it-coming-and-why-do-we-need-it

“In the US, AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint and Verizon 5G is now live in certain cities”


5 posted on 07/25/2019 2:23:53 PM PDT by be-baw
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

In preparation for 5G they are making GSM and 3G coverage very problematic...


6 posted on 07/25/2019 2:35:47 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

And where will those “caches” be? I just want to run away from this


7 posted on 07/25/2019 2:39:01 PM PDT by goodnesswins (White Privilege EQUALS Self Control & working 50-80 hrs/wk for 40 years!)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Actually...wonder if when building a house you can block it?


8 posted on 07/25/2019 2:40:11 PM PDT by goodnesswins (White Privilege EQUALS Self Control & working 50-80 hrs/wk for 40 years!)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie; Paladin2; gibsonguy
My take on 5G as a software engineer who's paid attention as we did 3G then 4G.

How it's supposed to work: 5G is faster. 5G has lower latency (doesn't have to reconnect, which all phones do under the hood even when it doesn't seem like it). 5G will have the ability to connect to multiple devices.

How it works now: Available in the U.S. in only a few places and the high frequency makes distance and walls a problem. There were similar problems with 3G and 4G, though, and the more widespread signal towers and purchase of 5G devices will remedy that just like it did with 3G and 4G.

How it'll work in the near future (my prediction): Early versions of 5G devices will be backwards compatible to 4G until most urban areas have 5G.

How it'll work, say, 2 years from now: We may be looking at a point where the signal frequency is too high to never be truly 5G most of the times even in high density areas (thus many cell towers). Too high a frequency = it won't carry a long distance or through walls, even with improved devices. It's analogous to music with high frequency (i.e. electric guitars and cymbals) not carrying through walls or a long distance as low frequency sounds (i.e. bass drum and bass guitar). So we may be looking at the 4G towers never completely going away like 1G and 2G has. It may be that all phones from now on will have to be 4G compatible (unlike, say, your 4G phone not having to be compatible with 2G, but if it's an early 4G phone it might be compatible with 3G).

So all that to say, that the 5G experience of the future will probably be like having a 4G phone in a rural area (my area is sorta rural). I can watch videos on my phone through the cell service with a decent, not great, experience. But there's a big difference using the same phone when I'm in my house using the wi-fi, even if I don't have to manually switch over to wi-fi because my phone does it automatically (after I set it up the first time). I think that's how 5G will be even in urban areas -- where the awesomeness of 5G is intermittent as you walk around the city and every now and then it drops down to 4G in quality. It'd probably be better for the cell carriers to offer a wi-fi service in the high density areas using multiple routers in many businesses (i.e. one on each block) and the wi-fi point named the same thing so you can walk around and always be connected to the wi-fi service, even as you move from router to router (like many businesses and universities already do for their students to walk around campus and be connected to one wi-fi from many points).

9 posted on 07/25/2019 2:41:26 PM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Paladin2

Silicon Valley Owns all the technology
in the brands in this industry and that ain’t changing anytime soon

The communist idiots over there all they know how to do is steal and lie and cheat they’re not creative their engineering sucks and their manufacturing sucks

The only chance they have of taking anything over is the Democrat party with Miss Diane Feinstein and her spy of 20 years


10 posted on 07/25/2019 2:58:55 PM PDT by Truthoverpower (The guvmint you get is the Trump winning express !)
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To: Tell It Right

Thanks the detailed response. What is your take on the privacy issues l have heard rumblings concerning 5g.


11 posted on 07/25/2019 3:27:14 PM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: gibsonguy
Oh, not that much more. It's a bunch of standards, that have to tie into our current phone network. Just declare the phone network a national security zone, and limit who US cell providers can buy equipment from.

A couple of tariffs should help, because I'm sure China is willing to give spyware laden hardware and software out for a pittance.

12 posted on 07/25/2019 3:28:55 PM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I am sure we can have our own technology.


13 posted on 07/25/2019 3:39:25 PM PDT by Dandy (Drain the swamp baby!!!)
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To: Tell It Right

Thanx for 5G info even a cave man can understand


14 posted on 07/25/2019 4:41:11 PM PDT by thinden
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To: Paladin2

“Most of this 5G stuff is going to be of even shorter range, leaving vast areas in Fly Over Country even more unserved”

My take is that 5g is not so much new technology but a lot more antennas which means smaller cells and more re-use of frequencies which means higher bandwidth for each frequency in a given small cell.

It also means big brother will know more precisely where our devices are. 5g gives big brother more. It may give us a little more.

Those in the boonies will be just fine with existing cellular technologies.


15 posted on 07/25/2019 6:00:03 PM PDT by cymbeline
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To: cymbeline

My damn iPad keeps switching my network to 5-G and the damn thing doesn’t work, I have to constantly go into settings and switch it back!!!


16 posted on 07/25/2019 6:04:29 PM PDT by Trump Girl Kit Cat (Yosemite Sam raising hell)
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To: cymbeline
"Those in the boonies will be just fine with existing cellular technologies."

There are vast areas starting just two miles from the compound that currently have NO service.

17 posted on 07/25/2019 6:16:05 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: cymbeline

People in the cities will have higher cancer raties than the boonies.

Put a plant or tree near a 5G antenna, what happens to it, is what happens to your brain.

My father died of brain cancer from RF radiation.

5G is like living in a microwave oven on low.


18 posted on 07/25/2019 6:52:00 PM PDT by TheNext (Diversity: Darker Replaces Lighter)
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To: gibsonguy

“” “” China cannot be allowed to own 5g. It’s more than just connection speed, a LOT more.”” “”

LOL. How do you plan to do it? :)


19 posted on 07/25/2019 8:17:41 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: gibsonguy
"What is your take on the privacy issues l have heard rumblings concerning 5g"

When it comes to Huawei there are many privacy concerns. China has what they call "national champion" companies (hint: not Clemson or Alabama). Basically, those companies are practically owned by the government and, therefore, all of the government's resources are used to make the company successful. In return, the company by law has to report to the government anything it learns about anybody or any business. It's one of many ways China engages in Intellectual Property theft (IP theft), which harms us in many ways. IMHO the IP theft is the main part in the trade war talks with China.

20 posted on 07/26/2019 9:52:25 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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