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Jim Bouton, Yankees pitcher and 'Ball Four' author, dies at 80
Washington Times via outline.com ^ | 7/10/19 | Victor Morton

Posted on 07/11/2019 5:22:18 AM PDT by foreverfree

The former New York Yankees pitcher who wrote the most famous tell-all book in baseball history has died.

Jim Bouton, author of “Ball Four,” was 80.

According to the New York Daily News, Mr. Bouton died Wednesday at his home in Massachusetts from a brain disease linked to dementia.

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RIP Jim.

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1 posted on 07/11/2019 5:22:18 AM PDT by foreverfree
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To: foreverfree

I did enjoy that book.


2 posted on 07/11/2019 5:23:29 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: foreverfree

“Ball Four” was quite a sensation. In it, Bouton described how baseball players (specifically the Mickey Mantle-era NY Yankees) really act. It was pretty scandalous...and a page-turner.

Seems like he was a decent pitcher too.


3 posted on 07/11/2019 5:25:19 AM PDT by be-baw
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Yes, as I recall, Bouton won 21 games in ‘64, the last great year of those Mantle/Ford/Richardson etc. teams. The Yankees fell apart in ‘65 and took a decade to recover. Great book that was enjoyable to read. RIP Jim.


4 posted on 07/11/2019 5:29:54 AM PDT by IndyTiger
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To: foreverfree

The man was dangerous. He did tell the truth. But in so doing he ratted out his teammates and people who trusted him. He was never trusted again.


6 posted on 07/11/2019 5:37:57 AM PDT by allendale (.)
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To: foreverfree

I read the book , but I was too young to get it. My brother had the book and I think we were just looking for the dirty words that were in print (which was another “cutting edge” aspect to the book).


7 posted on 07/11/2019 5:40:42 AM PDT by BRL
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To: be-baw

“Ball Four” helped open up writing about political campaigns and reporters, becoming the inspiration for Timothy Crouse’s “The Boys on the Bus.” After that, Teddy White’s “Making of the President” series of political campaign books began to look more and more like dull official narrative histories.


8 posted on 07/11/2019 5:44:52 AM PDT by Rockingham
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I was in my early 20s when I first read “Ball Four” (1970) and I was shocked.
  I just COULD NOT believe the heroes of my youth acted as portrayed in this book.
  And believe me, after growing up in the NYC area, and serving three years in the Marine Corps, I was not a naive person.
A hell of a book at the time. RIP Jim Bouton ...
9 posted on 07/11/2019 5:53:56 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: foreverfree

He also had 2 follow up books that were pretty good -
“I’m glad you didn’t take it personally”
and
“I managed good but boy did they play bad”


10 posted on 07/11/2019 5:59:51 AM PDT by CheneyClone
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“After that, Teddy White’s “Making of the President” series of political campaign books began to look more and more like dull official narrative histories.”

I read several of those. Mom had them in paperback. Great summer reads.


11 posted on 07/11/2019 6:08:28 AM PDT by be-baw
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He came out of retirement at age 40 and won one game throwing the knuckleball with the Braves.

His book became a short-lived CBS sitcom.


12 posted on 07/11/2019 6:52:25 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer.)
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To: allendale
The man was dangerous. He did tell the truth. But in so doing he ratted out his teammates and people who trusted him. He was never trusted again.

I don't know about the rest of his teammates but Bouton and Mickey Mantle reconciled.

13 posted on 07/11/2019 7:03:32 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Hillary: A unique blend of arrogance, incompetence, and corruption.)
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To: foreverfree

“who wrote the most famous tell-all book in baseball history”

Jose Canseco might have something to say about that.


14 posted on 07/11/2019 7:33:17 AM PDT by skinndogNN
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White’s books are essential but limited. With what we know now, White’s account of the 1960 Kennedy campaign reads like a fairy tale, with no hint of JFK’s relentless womanizing. And the discrepancy between White’s tomes and what actually happened behind the scenes eventually became a burden even for White, who after 1972 professed himself a practitioner of traditional journalism, not a psychologist or muckraker or peeper through keyholes.


15 posted on 07/11/2019 7:40:02 AM PDT by Rockingham
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I don’t remember much about them. I take your word for it. Many years later I read a book about the Kennedy clan that was quite revealing. Can’t remember the title, but it was a good read too.

Makes me think I should get back to reading biographies. I enjoyed almost every one I read. I think I still have one about Jefferson I didn’t get through because it was so “scholarly.” All the citing of source material got boring quickly.


16 posted on 07/11/2019 7:44:47 AM PDT by be-baw
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I did enjoy that book.

So did I. Got it for a Xmas present in '82 (a reprint that included Ball Five) but didn't get around to reading it cover to cover until '86. You could tell Jim was a lib but that didn't ruin the book for me, either then or when I read my library's copy cover to cover again last summer (I'd given my copy away to the library's used book sale.

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17 posted on 07/11/2019 8:08:39 AM PDT by foreverfree
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Perhaps the most revealing Kennedy book I have read is “The Dark Side of Camelot” by Seymour Hersch. An old history major, I have far too many shelves and boxes of books — most of which feature lots of footnotes.


18 posted on 07/11/2019 9:03:04 AM PDT by Rockingham
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Jane Leavys book on Mickey Mantle was brutal - a real hero buster - but I guess everyone knew


19 posted on 07/11/2019 9:24:10 AM PDT by Jolla
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I was in high school when I read Ball Four and there were a couple of things I distinctly remember. First was the part where he talked about the coaches who looked younger by a decade or more because they maintained good suntans. The other was the subcompact beat up car they drove during spring training in Florida. It was a real junker and I think they only put gas in it. No oil or maintenance of any sort. After the last spring training it was abandoned on some street in town. After coming back to the town a couple years later it was discovered parked in the same place. And it still ran!


20 posted on 07/11/2019 9:39:32 AM PDT by t4texas (If you can't run with the big dogs . . . STAY ON THE PORCH!)
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