Posted on 07/02/2019 10:18:31 AM PDT by rktman
I recently received a letter from a Thomas Carpenter of Santa Monica, California. Suffice it to say the letter represented everything we would expect from his kind.
It appears Carpenter was offended because I spoke the unambiguous truth in my syndicated op-ed titled: “Homosexuality is not normal; it’s deviant sexual lust.”
Following is the chap’s jeremiad as it was received, unedited or changed in any way:
“For someone who says he doesn’t hate homosexuals you really go out of your way to judge and condemn them. As a person raised in a religious background, I distinctly recall the part about not judging others. If you loved them, you would accept them as other children of God, because that’s what they are. As for the part about homosexuality being a ‘deviancy,’ I would ask you if you have bothered to read what the major medical/scientific associations all say about the subject? They distinctly say that homosexuality is a sexual orientation, and NOT a deviancy or a disorder! As such, these experts agree that homosexuality is not contagious either, so forget that threat. You say it’s your right to refuse to accept acts of sexual perversion, and that’s true, just don’t do anything you consider a perversion. It just isn’t your right as a ‘born again Christian’ to play God. As for subject being ‘born again,’ I personally see that many of your kind overreact to many of life’s realities, perhaps as a compensation for your own insecurities and past failures. But who am I to judge!”
Carpenter is emblematic of those who are remorselessly given over to sin. What he has written sounds akin to someone making bubbling sounds with their head in the toilet.
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Doctor Henry Cloud answers this in “Boundaries”.
Those who have unhealthy boundaries equate love with endorsing whatever they do. Tell them no, disapprove of their actions, and they think you don’t love them - you hate them.
It is driven by the narcissism we should train out of children - if I want it, it is mine, if I don’t like it, you should stop it.
It becomes an emotion based morality - if it feels good, it is good, if it feels bad, it is bad. In liberal fairy tales, you’ll hear “follow you heart”, or “look within to know it is true”.
For the liberal, whoever is the most upset is therefore the one to be given what they want. Logical criticism or calm dissent is ignored because we have to give the screaming irrational person (or faker) what they want. It is emotional blackmail.
SJWs throwing crying fits, screaming sessions and passive aggressively blocking people while whining they’re the victims are raising this emotional blackmail to a political tactic.
The horror comes in when they say whoever is the most emotional must be right, and feelings trump rules and reality. I don’t like it? Law be damned. Nut denies biological reality? They must really, really feel it ... and biology and science are irrelevant. That’s the reason they cave to transgenders and “otherkin”.
My sense is that homosexuality is not just deviant or lustful. Far worse is that it is terribly harmful. My discernment tells me that is what makes it an abomination
This is a very good question.
I have had some difficulty trying to sort this very topic out these days and wonder if tossing the baby out with the bathwater is good. As you get older, you begin to realize that no one is perfect and some of the “best” people are very flawed. We are all sinners.
My conclusion is that it isn’t them that is important but the way they made me and the rest of us think and feel at the time. They might have moved humanity forward or offered a positive direction or a positive message then they did something really bad.
We cannot give up the good that they have done. We need to keep the good and discard the bad. Because, if “the good” is gone, then all we have is bad and misery and with it no hope for the future.
You have pointed out the real issue in the argument.
If it a family member (or fellow congregant of my church), then yes I should show “stern compassion” for their condition. That is a true Christian position.
Now, are you compelled by your Faith to go into the ghetto, seek out a homeless drug addict felon and attempt to relieve him of his addictive demons?
I simply answer, “I choose not to associate with the mentally ill for I am not equipped to help them.”
Ain’t fascism grand?
The words “love” and “forgive” are, IMHO, the most misused, contorted and casually tossed-around words in Christianity.
Tolerance will not be Tolerated.
I have lost two friends over this subject. They are outage (very very angry) that I believe a woman cannot be stuck in man’s body or a man cannot be stuck in a woman’s body. I have told them a person can get an operation that does not change their DNA.
I look at homosexuality as a deviant sexual lust that I will not let it into my household. I will pray for them, but I will not condone this sin.
I believe both of them might be married gay hiding in the closest. When they ask me about my beliefs they are looking for someone to except/condone that sin. I will not, so they get very angry to the point it is scarily. One of them has a gay daughter, that could be factor too.
I have come to belief in the last couple of years a lot of the Gay people are angry people and will really hate to the extreme if you do not accept their morals. A lot of this group are in the streets out west under the name Antifa.
"Approval" is also a judgement. They want approval. So the problem isn't "judgement," it's not getting approval. If you know what you're doing is right, you don't care if anyone approves. Therefore, they know what they are doing is NOT right. What the really want is free license to do as they please with no accountability.
They aren't getting it from me. They are free to judge me back. I don't care.
In 1cor 5:11 it tells us not to associate with them, not even to eat with them.
In 1 John 3:18 Jesus tells us to love not in words and tonuge but
In deed and truth.
So I guess if I saw one helpless in the ditch I would pull him out
But I am not gonna say I love them because I don’t.
“For their women exchanged their natural function for an unnatural and abnormal one,
And the men also turned from natural relations with women and were set ablaze (burning out, consumed) with lust for one another—men committing shameful acts with men and suffering in their own bodies and personalities the inevitable consequences and penalty of their wrong-doing and going astray, which was [their] fitting retribution.”
(New Testament, Romans 1:26,27)
“Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality,
Nor cheats (swindlers and thieves), nor greedy graspers, nor drunkards, nor foulmouthed revilers and slanderers, nor extortioners and robbers will inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God.”
(New Testament I Corinthians 6:9,10)
I was under the impression that it was a earthly judgment by God. Traditionally it has been a hard life to follow, full of shame and a-holes treating them badly, with said a-holes earning judgment in the hereafter for so doing. Like the people who throw gay men off of roofs. You don’t ever want to get between God and another member of his creation. There is plenty that we have to deal with in our own natures.
“[The wicked are sentenced to suffer] just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the adjacent towns—which likewise gave themselves over to impurity and indulged in unnatural vice and sensual perversity—are laid out [in plain sight] as an exhibit of perpetual punishment [to warn] of everlasting fire.”
(New Testament, Book of Jude 1:7)
I don’t think we count gray people as fellow believers, so we don’t act as though they are supposed to be following God’s law. My impression is that they are under earthly judgment, and don’t forget that earthly judgment does sometimes lead to repentance. God is in control.
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