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Russia plans to tow a nuclear power station to the Arctic. Critics dub it a 'floating Chernobyl'
CNN ^ | 29 jUNE 2019 | Mary Ilyushina

Posted on 06/30/2019 7:15:14 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

Russia's civilian nuclear industry also faced public questions following the Chernobyl catastrophe, which shaped concerns about "the peaceful atom" for decades to follow. Construction of dozens of nuclear plants stopped, affecting not only massive Chernobyl-scale projects but also slowing down the use of low-power reactors like the one in what would become the floating station (The Chernobyl plant produced up to 4,000 megawatts. Lomonosov has two reactors producing 35 megawatts each).

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: arctic; beautiful; nuclear; russia
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To: RinaseaofDs; BenLurkin

Take him to the infirmary, he’s in shock.


41 posted on 06/30/2019 9:56:49 AM PDT by KC_Lion
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To: gibsonguy
"Russian tow a nuke plant to the north pole, what could go wrong?"

(ahem) Hold my beer and I'll tell you.

42 posted on 06/30/2019 10:01:01 AM PDT by blam
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To: infool7

Here it is!
Dig in!!!
Everything you wanted to know.

It would look nice in the open area west of the windmill!
Fascinating old technology. I once worked at the origional sight near 16th and Meyers Rd.

Contrasting old/new.

https://aris.iaea.org/PDF/4S.pdf

The 4S operation without on-site refuelling is one of the keystones for the reactor application
in rural areas, for a variety of reasons. The core and fuel lifetime as well as the plant lifetime
would be approximately 30 years; the fuel in the 4S does not need to be reloaded or shuffled
during the plant lifetime. The fuel is just installed when the 4S is constructed at a site.
Therefore, the concept of “annual flow of fuel and non-fuel materials” is of somewhat limited
meaning for the 4S.

...The 4S is a sodium cooled reactor; therefore, its primary system is “non-pressurized”. Hence,
if sodium leakage occurs, the leak rate is quite small and the leaked sodium is retained by the
second boundary, i.e., by the guard vessel, in all cases provided by the design; therefore, the
core is always immersed in sodium. In case of a failure of the first boundary, both shutdown
and normal shutdown heat removal systems operate


43 posted on 06/30/2019 10:17:53 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message.)
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To: infool7; Aqua225

Corrected link .
The details.

https://aris.iaea.org/PDF/4S.pdf


44 posted on 06/30/2019 10:22:10 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Russia(Soviet Union) already has a history of dumping old reactors in the Artic.


45 posted on 06/30/2019 11:46:08 AM PDT by tlozo
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To: DUMBGRUNT
355 / 510°C (inlet / outlet) or 671-950° Fahrenheit

Maximum temperature of fuel cladding 610°C or 1130°

seems awfully hot to me but

apparently alloys exist that are up to the task

7

46 posted on 06/30/2019 12:07:23 PM PDT by infool7 (Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
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To: Aqua225
"If America doesn’t stomp on the thorium gas pedal, we will overnight be out of the energy business when these start coming online."

Not until we run out of natural gas, which, given the amount of shale resources available, is gonna take quite a while.

47 posted on 06/30/2019 1:53:39 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Well, my first concern is that it sounds as though Russia is staking out the North Pole.


48 posted on 06/30/2019 1:54:58 PM PDT by yldstrk (Bingo! We have a winner!)
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To: yldstrk

Shipping group A.P. Moller-Maersk said on Friday it is in talks with Russia’s state-owned icebreaker operator to send more goods via the Arctic, which is becoming more accessible as climate change reduces the sea ice.

Russia has made developing the so-called northern sea route (NSR) - which requires new ports and heavy icebreakers to move goods - a priority, with supporters dubbing the route the northern Suez Canal.
...
However, Maersk is now exploring the possibility of offering a service in cooperation with Russia’s nuclear-powered icebreaker company Rosatomflot, High North News reported on Friday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-arctic-shipping-maersk/maersk-explores-arctic-shipping-route-with-russia-idUSKCN1TF0WW


49 posted on 06/30/2019 2:11:12 PM PDT by McGruff
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To: infool7

671-950° Fahrenheit

A walk in the park temp, for a gas turbine.


50 posted on 06/30/2019 2:44:11 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message.)
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To: yldstrk

Well, my first concern is that it sounds as though Russia is staking out the North Pole.

Of course, they are!

Coming soon, Vlad’s polar retreat and earth bounty recovery center!
HUNTING, FISHING SKIING...Also full and part-time positions available!


51 posted on 06/30/2019 2:51:36 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

That is a great thing your father did.

Thank you for sharing and thank him.


52 posted on 06/30/2019 2:52:14 PM PDT by Kakaze (I want The Republic back !)
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To: Kakaze

Thank you for sharing and thank him.

He had ninety one very good years, my mother almost the same.

A few dings like swimming from the Yorktown and his first time on land after VJ Day, seems he decided to get a fresh coconut from the tree.
He slipped on the way down losing one of his very, very personal parts!

Not to worry!
The Navy Docs fixed him right up!
And I have brothers and sisters!


53 posted on 06/30/2019 3:03:12 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message.)
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To: tlozo

Russia(Soviet Union) already has a history of dumping old reactors in the Artic.

S.O.P. back in the day...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_disposal_of_radioactive_waste


54 posted on 06/30/2019 3:09:42 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
Brilliant idea. Due to opposition from anti-American lobbyists, it could never be done here, say in the arctic sea off the north coast of Alaska. But the Russians do not have to pander to the green weenies. No doubt they have learned their lessons from Chernobyl, so this project would be no more dangerous than a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier anchored off shore.

Good for the Russkies. Too bad we can’t do the same for political reasons..

55 posted on 06/30/2019 5:31:29 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (Power is more often surrendered than seized.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

I have a friend, retired army col. His dad was on the Yorktown start of war until midway. The world is a very small place. One of my hobbies is collecting and wargaming with 1/1250 scale model ships, I use the old Fletcher Pratt rules, which require you to estimate the range. Very much a fun game, which can include beer , pizza, and pretzels. Just takes a very large floor space.


56 posted on 07/01/2019 7:21:14 AM PDT by Waverunner (I'd like to welcome our new overlords, say hello to my little friend)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

The Chernobyl connection is pure hyperbole. Chernobyl was an inherently flawed (RBMK) design but these are pressurized water reactors, same as the ones the US pioneered the use of in the 1950s.

But it does seem odd they’re parking reactors capable of powering a city of 100,000 when the nearest city is only 4000.


57 posted on 07/01/2019 10:12:52 AM PDT by Paal Gulli
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