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"You have received us with bombs" Assassination of Franz Ferdinand and the end of Christian Europe
Gloria Romanorum ^ | June 28, 2018 | Florentius

Posted on 06/28/2019 7:12:51 AM PDT by Antoninus

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To: Boogieman
That's a good, simple explanation. War makes people belligerent (for good reasons). Agnostic/Atheistic Communism and Socialism thrive in an environment of belligerence. Makes sense.

If only the article carried through with its title in that explanation.

41 posted on 06/28/2019 8:53:57 AM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: Boogieman

What caused World War 1 was a bunch of monarchs playing Empire games. None of them ruled with the approval of people. They were in deadly competition after the scramble for Africa and China. They were all looking for an excuse.


42 posted on 06/28/2019 8:55:16 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: TheConservativeTejano
USA helped Europe to get out of the Trench Warfare in Europe to freedom

Too bad that isn't true. Our intent may have been to "give" them freedom … what they actually got is socialism.

43 posted on 06/28/2019 8:57:32 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Antoninus
"More accurate to say that Christian Europe was gravely ill up to 1914. World War I killed it dead. Would that it might rise again."

Fr. Ripperger has some fascinating things to say about this in his article and talk, called "The Sixth Generation":

Article

YouTube talk

Thanks for the article, by the way.

44 posted on 06/28/2019 9:06:22 AM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: Antoninus

It was the meeting of modern technology and antiquated Generals and monarchs who cared not a whit about the citizenry. The bloody result was predictable. I doubt they would have stopped even knowing. The proof is that they didn’t stop when it did get nightmarish.

Thry merely searched the world for more bodies from people they cared even less about. That’s where we came in.

It’s laughable that it was called the war to make the world safe for democracy.


45 posted on 06/28/2019 9:07:37 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

I had the same question.

I surmise he means that as absolute monarchs gave way to Democracy in Europe, that the death rattles of authoritarianism that spawned two world wars and the cold war, too, pitting authoritarian model governments, though not literal monarchies, against Democracy.

The author believes that authoritarianism embodied in monarchy is the essence of Christianity and that once commoners are allowed to make decisions upon reason rather than upon blind acceptance of faith, that Christianity is undermined. He may be right.


46 posted on 06/28/2019 9:09:54 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: ConservativeMind
And the Spanish Inquisition had helped “Christian Europe?”

Well, it helped Spain, which had been under Muslim occupation for over 500 years.
47 posted on 06/28/2019 9:15:07 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("...a choice between Woke-fevered Democrats and Koch-funded Republicans is insufficient."-Mark Steyn)
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To: NorthMountain
Our intent may have been to "give" them freedom … what they actually got is socialism.

Correct. It has been down-hill for Europe ever since.
48 posted on 06/28/2019 9:37:19 AM PDT by Antoninus ("In Washington, swamp drain you.")
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To: DesertRhino
I doubt they would have stopped even knowing.

Austria would have stopped. I'm guessing the Russians would have as well. Germany, Britain and France...anybody's guess.
49 posted on 06/28/2019 9:38:42 AM PDT by Antoninus ("In Washington, swamp drain you.")
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To: Telepathic Intruder

That’s utterly wrong. The Holy Roman empire ended in 1801 under onslaught from Napoleon.

The Nazis were not the successors to the HRE


50 posted on 06/28/2019 9:43:45 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: Antoninus

Christianity continued even post world war two. The mortal wound was the sixties. Church attendance plummeted post that era.


51 posted on 06/28/2019 9:45:35 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: PGR88

Nihilism, atheism and collectivism were introduced during the French revolution.


52 posted on 06/28/2019 9:47:05 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: FLT-bird

You are correct. There is a very good book called “The Russian origins of the first world war “ that I strongly recommend


53 posted on 06/28/2019 9:48:57 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: NorthMountain

Partner, we got Europe out of the terrible trench warfare within one year. You are correct in that Europe is way too socialist right now and we all know it.

I think it was a big mistake to let all of those Mooselimbs into Europe and this was led by that sicko woman Angela Merkel and the socialist EU.

54 posted on 06/28/2019 9:50:40 AM PDT by TheConservativeTejano (God Bless Texas...)
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To: ConservativeMind

Rot. Europe was Christian from 378AD and most of Western Europe was Catholic until the 1500s


55 posted on 06/28/2019 9:51:17 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: TheConservativeTejano

Thanks to Blackjack Pershing in changing tactics/strategy to win WWI. I’ve always admired the guy.


56 posted on 06/28/2019 9:53:32 AM PDT by combat_boots (God bless Israel and all who protect and defend her! Merry Christmas! In God We Trust!)
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To: Gen.Blather

A good series on the path to WWI - BBC series “ A Fall of Eagles”. It was shown in the US in the 1970s. You can buy it off Amazon. Its based on a book of the same title. The book is interesting because it has a lot of interviews with the grandchildren. The interviews had - “grand-papa this & grand-mama that”.... it all sounded very familiar and ordinary....very human & very sad!


57 posted on 06/28/2019 9:54:47 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Cronos
Nihilism, atheism and collectivism were introduced during the French revolution.

Yes, and it took the collective slaughter of WWI and the aftermath to give these ideas broad acceptance throughout all of Europe.

58 posted on 06/28/2019 9:56:18 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: nwrep; mjp; who_would_fardels_bear; Antoninus

You could take it one step further back to Descartes, who turned God into a convenient, abstract stop-gap against his infinite regress into “questioning everything.” And (as my old philosophy professor once noted), he set the mind-body problem in motion that has so many of today’s secular intellectuals totally lost in their mental and psychological machinations, unable to get the slightest clue about reality by looking at reality.


59 posted on 06/28/2019 10:01:33 AM PDT by ClarityGuy
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To: PGR88

They had broad acceptance due to the French revolution. Read about the 1848 communist uprisings all over Europe. Nihilism spread in parts of Russia from 1917-1939

Atheism didn’t spread due to the wars


60 posted on 06/28/2019 10:02:54 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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