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Marijuana, Mental Illness, and Violence
Imprimis ^ | Jan 2019 | Alex Berenson

Posted on 06/07/2019 7:40:00 PM PDT by Persevero

Most of all, advocates have told you that marijuana is not just safe for people with psychiatric problems like depression, but that it is a potential treatment for those patients. On its website, the cannabis delivery service Eaze offers the “Best Marijuana Strains and Products for Treating Anxiety.” “How Does Cannabis Help Depression?” is the topic of an article on Leafly, the largest cannabis website. But a mountain of peer-reviewed research in top medical journals shows that marijuana can cause or worsen severe mental illness, especially psychosis, the medical term for a break from reality. Teenagers who smoke marijuana regularly are about three times as likely to develop schizophrenia, the most devastating psychotic disorder.

(Excerpt) Read more at imprimis.hillsdale.edu ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: abuse; cannabis; drugs; libertarianlosers; marijuana; mentalillness; pot; potheads; psychosis; reefermadness; wod
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To: NobleFree

SOROS bankrolled and engineered the state votes on pot.

Take the blinders off.


101 posted on 06/09/2019 5:48:57 AM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: American in Israel

If you attack supply without addressing the root causes of people craving to get high, the profit margins simply increase. Higher prices/profit increase thefts and create government corruption.

Even if you do manage to eliminate the drug market, people who are prone to drug abuse will simply use more dangerous substances that can never be outlawed and cost almost nothing


102 posted on 06/09/2019 6:01:53 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga

Well the war on sin and stupidity just does not have the ring of the war on drugs does it.

The worst problem from a strictly national perspective is the tremendous drain on society with so many drug induced mental patients running around.


103 posted on 06/09/2019 6:55:31 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Persevero

Jeez, we need one of those singular zillion post threads like the letter guy or the CIA lizards spying on us thread so everyone can go back and forth ad infinitum about pot being evil or pot being okay. There seems to be nothing new offered in these random daily posts, and no one is changing their position on either side.


104 posted on 06/09/2019 7:08:44 AM PDT by Magnatron
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To: Persevero

“Teenagers who smoke marijuana regularly are about three times as likely to develop schizophrenia, “

Since few understand science, this could also be those prone to schiz are perhaps three times more likely to smoke pot.

In other words, pot may not cause schiz, it may be an indicator that the smoker is prone to schiz.


105 posted on 06/09/2019 7:22:39 AM PDT by CodeToad ( Hating on Trump is hating on me and Americans!.)
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To: mrsmith

I live in Colorado. The positives were brief. Mexican cartels initially went away since illegal pot wasn’t popular anymore.

Black market weed went out of style quickly, but the massive taxes and legal costs caused black market weed to return, as did the crime.

Robberies of the cash-only stores skyrocketed. (Pot places cannot take credit cards.)

DUI on pot skyrocketed, which also has the effect of causing all our car insurance rates to go up.

Homeless came here looking for pot. Homelessness skyrocketed. Downtown Denver is a mess right now, capital of teen aged runaways.

Illegal grow houses for export out of Colorado has gone nuts. It is legal to grow some pot for yourself, but these grow houses are for export, which is illegal. Mexican mafia returned.

Teenagers in mental health facilities has skyrocketed. Wife runs inpatient hospitals. They could easily use 100 times the number of beds available.

Number of pot toking idiots in public has skyrocketed. Employers are concerned since so many employees cannot function. I hire enterprise level architects and engineers, and we’ve lost a few to pot smoking. About to lose another one. Seems he smashed into a bunch of cars high on pot and tried to speed away.


106 posted on 06/09/2019 7:35:20 AM PDT by CodeToad ( Hating on Trump is hating on me and Americans!.)
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To: CodeToad

It is true, those with psychotic symptoms may be more drawn to drugs that alter consciousness. How to know which comes first? This would rely on self reporting by psychotic teens - absolutely not reliable!


107 posted on 06/09/2019 7:42:03 AM PDT by Persevero (Desmond is not -Amazing- Desmond is -Abused-)
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To: CodeToad

P.S. I voted to legalize pot because the alternative of SWAT teams busting in on people was worse and the cartel wars were insane.

We needed to legalize pot to find how we could manage it, just like we manage booze. We need adjustments to the pot laws.

The biggest problem is that we have run out of adults, so, frankly, it won’t matter is be ban pot or keep it legal. No adults means no discipline, which leads to anarchy. We’re headed for anarchy, pot or no pot. Pot has just been an indicator of our lack of self discipline.


108 posted on 06/09/2019 7:42:15 AM PDT by CodeToad ( Hating on Trump is hating on me and Americans!.)
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To: Magnatron

This Imprimis article is well written, well documented, and comprehensive. Rather than drive by “it cures cancer” or “no harm done” or “alcohol is worse” statements by pro marijuana advocates, it actually gives credible evidence of various negatives tied with recreational pot use.

If I read an article I think is FR worthy and promotes FR values I’m going to post it. I’m hardly going to say, “well, Magnatron wants legal dope, I’d better hold off on posting this one.”

As per usual, if there is a category or topic you don’t like to consider posted then skip it. Don’t try to discourage people from posting. Unless it goes against FR guidelines.


109 posted on 06/09/2019 7:46:41 AM PDT by Persevero (Desmond is not -Amazing- Desmond is -Abused-)
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To: Persevero

“hose with psychotic symptoms may be more drawn to drugs that alter consciousness.”

We already know those that have been diagnosed do seek drugs “to feel normal”. My experience says those with mental illnesses, although mild and perhaps not an issue, seek drugs. Sharp, mentally balanced, and happy people do not seek drugs. To me, it’s an indicator if I want to know a person. Bar-hopping, pot smoking people are just not my kind of people. They always have personality defects that include immaturity and a lack of good judgement and coherency.


110 posted on 06/09/2019 7:48:30 AM PDT by CodeToad ( Hating on Trump is hating on me and Americans!.)
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To: varyouga

As for damage from abuse, please acquaint yourself with Can Union is hyperemesis syndrome

https://www.practicalgastro.com/pdf/September08/BudhrajaArticle.pdf

Not to mention the increased schizophrenia, psychosis, male breasts, lowered iq ... and the general malaise we’ve all seen in those we know who smoke regularly.

The article documents these mental health negatives.

The fact that something bad is going to be done anyway doesn’t mean we should legalize or promote it.


111 posted on 06/09/2019 7:51:32 AM PDT by Persevero (Desmond is not -Amazing- Desmond is -Abused-)
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To: Persevero

CANNIBINOID hyperemesis syndrome*


112 posted on 06/09/2019 7:52:31 AM PDT by Persevero (Desmond is not -Amazing- Desmond is -Abused-)
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To: Persevero

“The fact that something bad is going to be done anyway doesn’t mean we should legalize or promote it.”

The fact that something WORSE is already occurring because of prohibition and will get even worse if these policies are expanded is reason enough to repeal it and use a different method to target the ROOT causes of drug abuse.

We already have countless cases around the world of people smoking fake cannabis made with toxic chemicals in the streets. Or smoking homemade garbage meth/heroin made from chemicals off the drugstore shelf. Then becoming handicapped or violent zombies. Because far safer substances like cannabis/coca/opium are made expensive and toxic due to prohibition policies, people will inevitably use far WORSE chemicals.

And if you ban these chemicals that have legit uses for many people, the mentally ill will move on to EVEN WORSE chemicals like gasoline and sewer gas. You can’t ban people from collecting their own feces without 24/7 surveillance of everyone.

We will one day ALL live in a virtual prison unless this misguided policy is stopped and the ROOT cause of why so many people feel they must use deadly drugs is actually addressed.

There is a suicide epidemic on a bridge near me and short-sighted people are calling for millions to be spent for a fence to be built. Just like prohibition, that is a childish approach and will merely shift the problem around until it can no longer be addressed with barriers. You will eventually restrict ALL people’s freedoms to forcefully protect a few people from themselves.

The ONLY way is to look deeply for the ROOT causes of skyrocketing suicide and drug abuse in our society and solve them


113 posted on 06/09/2019 9:11:08 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga

I disagree that people will do worse things. I guess that’s a matter of opinion.

Would we legalize drunk driving so people don’t do LSD driving? Would we legalize shoplifting so people don’t do armed robbery? Would we legalize animal abuse so that people don’t abuse children?

Nonsensical imo


114 posted on 06/09/2019 9:46:03 AM PDT by Persevero (Desmond is not -Amazing- Desmond is -Abused-)
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To: Persevero

People ALREADY are doing worse things to self medicate their traumas and mental illness rather than using natural plants that are far easier to come back from if abused.

The difference in the crimes you mention is that they are not done by the mentally ill out of desperation to relieve their suffering. Someone who is suffering enough will pay any price and risk destroying their own body to reduce the pain. Dealers take advantage of their illness and mistrust in society to make massive profits. While adding WORSE chemicals that make them even more sick.

They need the safest possible options in a legal setting which will give them the best chance of trusting people enough to eventually become open to therapy and heal the root cause of their suffering


115 posted on 06/09/2019 10:20:51 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: Valk Rider
HOW is subtracting a mind altering substance *not* BETTER? Should we ban alcohol?

Never argue against dope with a dope head.

Yes, you who get doped up on alcohol fiercely and irrationally defend your addiction.

116 posted on 06/09/2019 12:06:03 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: American in Israel
Try walking the streets of any major liberal city wading through the litter and homeless camps

That may be an increased consolidation rather than an increased number. That's why science trumps personal observation.

Yeah, the hundred thousand in LA and Frisco were never noticed in small towns... righttt...

There are many small towns - consult a map.

117 posted on 06/09/2019 12:09:01 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: American in Israel
Statistics in the hand of an agenda is a weapon, not a tool of discovery.

If you have evidence that the reported flat rates of schizophrenia are book-cooking, let's see that evidence.

118 posted on 06/09/2019 12:10:13 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: MarvinStinson
Most pot legalizations were done by direct vote of the people through referendum - the people spoke.

SOROS bankrolled and engineered the state votes on pot.

So the people can't be trusted with the vote? Who should make their decisions for them - you?

119 posted on 06/09/2019 12:11:56 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Persevero
The fact that something bad is going to be done anyway doesn’t mean we should legalize

The fact that it will put billions of dollars in criminal hands when done while illegal, and in and of itself violates no rights, does mean we should legalize it.

or promote it.

To allow to be legal is not to promote - alcohol and tobacco are legal yet not thereby promoted.

120 posted on 06/09/2019 12:16:55 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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