VANITY - Why would the Russians help Trump get elected?

The left and the neo-cons have been trying to instigate a war with Russia since before the election despite barkies admonition to Milt that “1983 called and they want their foreign policy back”. We all know whatever the left is accusing the right of doing is projection of their own crimes. The problem is the 42% mushheads can’t critical think out of a wet sack and the left counts on that.

Then the big one hit. Despite their best efforts at vote manipulation their criminal globalist deep state commie queen failed at the poles. They can’t wrap their pea sized brains around the fact that the proletariat could rise up and undue their plans.

Subsequent to that the collectivists and the demonicrats (but I repeat) literally lost what was left of their minds (hive mind as it were). This cannot stand. How can we lose a rigged election when we spent so much time infiltrating the government with commies, deep state plants, muslim brotherhood, and criminals, how?

Now that leads us to the muh Russia crap. The already set the tone before the election and the real Russian colluders (the deepstate, Jeb, he who shall not be named, and Hillary)
called upon their scumbag globalists friends to expose the fake Fusion GPS bullshirt they had prepositioned to cover their voluminous asses and create chaos for Trump. Hoping they would wedge Trump’s butt in a crack and make him dance like a puppet on a string.

What they failed to understand (and still don’t) is Trump had it all (or at least most of it) before he sat down in the oval office. Trump also IMHO has backup from some VERY serious players who have been in the game a long time, know where the bodies are buried, and don’t like the direction the country was taking (in other words, patriots).

It’s really no more complicated that that. The mechanisms of the coup have some complexities, but the basis for it is simple. These asshats have been pulling this crap all over the world for over half a century, they got desperate and tried it here and it’s going to fail. The DNA of freedom is still strong in the USA for the time being.

Even the so-called ‘evidence’ they have is meant to HURT Trump, not hilLIARy!

AND WHY ISN’T SHE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR PAYING $8 MILLION TO FRAME TRUMP BY MANUFACTURIING THE FAKE DOSSIER?

"It’s really no more complicated that that. The mechanisms of the coup have some complexities, but the basis for it is simple. These asshats have been pulling this crap all over the world for over half a century, they got desperate and tried it here and it’s going to fail. The DNA of freedom is still strong in the USA for the time being."

Thanks for that - very encouraging. I'll shamelessly steal "the DNA of freedom." ;)

My answer: they didn’t. It’s all HRC and likely 0bama, to run cover for what really happened with U1 and who got paid in graft as skim off the top (likely almost all of Congress and the top of the IC as well as military).

Please do

Very good.

AKA, we’ve been fed a legend, as it’s called. It’s an OP.

Let’s look at this theoretically.

(a) Putin while a mixed bag of good and bad could have good or bad motives for supporting any western leader or government. Indications of his support for Trump, in theory, would not be necessarily for bad reasons. He might just prefer Trump to HRC as a leader with whom he would need to do some face to face negotiation. There again, motives could be good or bad.

(b) Support for any particular candidate could be based on what Putin thought he could gain in Russia’s interest. Perhaps he might think Trump would be closer to his views on Syria, probably true given the record of DC globalist hawks. He might see Trump as more aligned with his views about national sovereignty, less concerned with Ukraine than the Democrats. Personally, I think Russia had some good reasons to want to retain influence in Crimea for their own national security. The other parts of their conflict with Ukraine are quite murky but essentially none of our vital concern so long as they remain isolated to Ukraine (if transferred to the Baltics or Poland, then more directly a concern to us).

(c) Putin may simply have despised HRC to the extent that any viable alternative would be preferable. I think that matched the mood of the electorate outside of the larger urban areas so one could say the mood of the electoral college (and thank God for its existence).

(d) one would need to consider bad reasons for support, as in having a malleable person in power — that might have explained the fairly warm relationship with Obama more than Trump. But if that’s what he expected, apparently it was a miscalculation anyway.

(e) could be a gender based thing, perhaps Vlad prefers to deal with men generally speaking. Merkel for example, quite cringe-worthy. HRC even more so.

The idea that a Russian leader will automatically want to create trouble in the U.S.A. and would prefer a weak leader there is classic cold war doctrine but Putin is a less predictable entity than a Brezhnev or Andropov. A stronger America means a weaker China. That could be the key to the whole thing. You could argue for a good version of Russian collusion, while America’s usual friends like Britain and Australia (and to some extent Canada although we tend to realize we are too close to be making trouble without trade consequences) appear to have become bad actors, like the French and Germans more typically have been, Russia and even North Korea are now good actors interested in a stronger America to reduce the influence of China. Hence also the very good relations between Trump and Japan’s leaders.

The idea that Russia will always be the geopolitical adversary of America is something worthy of challenge, if only because Mitt Romney is fixated on it, as was McCain and HRC etc, so whatever they believe, I want to think the opposite. Perhaps Russia has more overlapping interests with the U.S. in this modern world. There are old reflexes that don’t just easily turn off, Venezuela provides an example of that. But the path to success for American foreign policy vis a vis Russia is to look for obvious areas of mutual interest and exploit them. One could point to anti-terrorism, stable trading arrangements, keeping Chinese expansionism in check, space co-operation, and with Trump in power, anti-globalism (downplaying climate change hysteria for example).

So there’s lots of reasons why Putin might back Trump and not any Democrat. And it’s perfectly normal in geopolitics for that sort of thing, making it sound like a heinous crime of some kind is just the Democrats being childish because they weren’t picked.

I don’t believe in the alternate theory that Putin actually prefers the Democrats and did all these things just to sabotage Trump. I can’t see any good reason why Putin would want Democrats running America. While it would weaken America and he could think that’s a good thing, their way of weakening America might involve dangerous confrontations with Russia and its proxy Syria. So that’s not a good way to get to the desired result. And a weak America means a very strong China.

Here’s what I’ve said from day one.

Look at the two personalities.

Putin - Always presents a tough guy image, former KGB thug, rules Russia like a dictator, the most common descriptive term I’ve heard is “he’s a bully”.

So what’s the last thing a bully wants to see? I know bullies quite well, I dealt with them in school daily...the last thing they want is someone who is willing to fight back. They greatly prefer someone half their size who is too weak to fight back, even if he wants to.

I finally had to knock some bozo on his ass in several different schools to get them to leave me alone. Talking didn’t work, negotiation was useless, warnings went in one ear and out the other. The only thing they listen to is brute force. Knock the guy on his ass then say ok NOW leave me alone...that’s the only thing that would work. That’s what Putin is. Except that being a politician, he will at least listen to negotiation.

Trump - Was in a military academy as a teenager, wouldn’t let the big guys pick on the little guy. The smallest guy in the unit was interviewed, he said that the bullies learned in a hurry “when Trump said leave me alone, he meant it”. Still standing up for the little guy today.

Textbook example of an alpha male personality, I can’t think of a better example. I don’t think he’s afraid of a human being in this world, says what he means and means what he says and will not back down from anyone.

Trump is the last thing Putin would want to see in the White House, someone who will stand up to him. It took me longer to type the first two sentences of this post than it did to realize that.

The only reason I can think of Putin would not want Hillary as prez is that from what I have heard, he can’t stand her. Other than that, she’s exactly what he WOULD want...dishonest, corrupt politician he can manipulate and possibly blackmail. He probably already has all the dirt on her he needs to keep her “in her place” to his way of thinking.

I have little doubt the day Trump announced, Putin ordered the KGB to bring him everything they could dig up, he already had it for Hillary. He knew Trump would stand up to him within a week, the last thing he wants to see, I’ll never buy into the idea that Putin would actually help Trump get elected. Ludicrous at best...

Russia has always tampered in our elections, but probably not to pick a candidate, more to stir up discontent, disseminate misinformation and undermine democracy. They do it all over the world. The idea that they would help Trump is ridiculous at best. If anything, they would help Hillary, who is already a known politician, and exactly what fits their agenda. Dishonest, corrupt, easily manipulated, enough skeletons in her political closet she’s easy to bribe or blackmail. Trump, not so much...

"Textbook example of an alpha male personality, I can’t think of a better example. I don’t think he’s afraid of a human being in this world, says what he means and means what he says and will not back down from anyone. Trump is the last thing Putin would want to see in the White House, someone who will stand up to him."

Well stated! That was my assessment as well.

I tried to keep an open mind reading the Mueller report. But it simply doesn't make sense, leaning so heavily on the Russian pro-Trump interference piece.

I conclude that Mueller selected his facts carefully in the report and lied through omission.

They didn’t interfere but an argument can be made as to why they wouldn’t want Hellary as President.

1. She seemed to want a war with them!
2. She’s incompetent IN EVERYTHING! Therefore hard to deal with.
3. Her incompetence would make the world a more chaotic place. The Russians actually don’t like chaos unless they can control & direct it. (Then is it really chaos?)

Note: 2) & 3) could also be reasons why they would want her as President. It depends on what strategy Russia would be pursuing.

But the biggest reason if the Russians truly had a reason would be 1). She seemed to want a direct shooting war between the US & Russia. The Russians can tolerate a proxy war but a direct shooting war is something else.

Anyway its all moot, they didn’t interfere. If they did it was what $50K (Facebook provided number!) of interference. Not even noticeable! So none to insignificantly little interference.(I wonder how Facebook arrived at that number?)

Besides given the gifts to her foundation, it could be agued she was already on their payroll. So if they interfered they interfered for her! Which looks like that might be jelling into fact!

Didn’t I mention something about her incompetence?

Putin did it to make less money on oil?

Top economists estimate that deregulation by the Trump administration has lowered the cost of a barrel by $10, costing Putie and Iran untold millions.

No, they were >2 years ago.
Think: deep-discount stock photos with badly translated stereotypes of what foreigners think American propaganda would say.